Re: [jats-list] how to describe <collab> in multiple languages

["Beck, Jeff (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [E]" <beck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Soichi Tokizane,

The comment period for JATS 0.4 is open until September 30 of this year.
So no decisions about what changes should be made in JATS 1.0 will be
final until after that date.

The contribution that the Japanese working group made to the
multi-language elements in JATS 0.4 was very valuable, and I look forward
to the comments you will have on collab-alternative.

As always, comments can be directed to the NISO Working Group from the
NISO document page at:
http://www.niso.org/apps/group_public/document.php?document_id=6135

Thank you,
Jeff Beck

On 7/10/11 4:56 AM, "tokizane" <tokizane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Dear everybone,
>
>I personally think introducing <collab-alternative> sounds a good idea.
>But before proceeding further, I would like to suggest collecting and
>examining live examples.  Please give our Japanese working group
>a little time to do so.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Soichi (Tokizane not Kubota)
>
>------ Original Message ------
>Subject : Re: [jats-list] how to describe <collab> in multiple languages
>Date : Wed, 6 Jul 2011 08:30:14 -0400
>To : jats-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <jats-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> From : Beck, Jeff (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [E] <beck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
>> Dear Soiche,
>>
>> I would like to second Laura's suggestion to make a request for a
>> collab-alternatives structure similar to the one that we have for
>> name-alternatives.
>>
>> A general "Alternatives" structure exists in the Tag Suite now, which
>>can
>> be used as Laura pointed out. But the Working Group decided that for
>> language alternatives the model would be stronger with explicit
>> alternatives tags for the elements involved.
>>
>> These exist now for name and affiliation (and probably should exist for
>> collab). Publisher information is already sequestered in the publisher
>> element wrapper. The change that was made here was to allow the pair
>> publisher-name, publisher-loc to repeat within publisher to handle any
>> alternate forms of the publisher information.
>>
>> Debbie Lapeyre will be presenting a paper at JATS-Con this year called
>> "Introduction to Multi-language Documents in JATS"
>> (http://jats.nlm.nih.gov/jats-con/program/#lapeyre) that will explain
>>how
>> the multi-language facilities in NISO JATS 0.1 are intended to be used.
>> The conference will be September 26 and 27 here on the NIH Campus.
>>Details
>> are available on the website: http://jats.nlm.nih.gov/jats-con/
>>
>> We will be streaming the presentations during the conference for anyone
>> who cannot make the trip.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Jeff Beck
>>
>> On 7/6/11 12:12 AM, "Soichi Kubota" <kubota@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Debbie, Bruce, Chris, and Laura,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your comments.
>>> I understand it is not good to expand <name-alternatives> to contain
>>> <collab>.
>>>
>>> It would be better to add
>>> <lang-alternatives> to expand elements not supporting multiple
>>>languages
>>> like <collab> , < publisher-name>,...
>>> for multi purposes like:
>>>
>>> <lang-alternatives>
>>>  <collab xml:lang="en">ABC Laboratory</collab>
>>>  <collab xml:lang="fr">ABC Laboratoire</collab>
>>> </lang-alternatives>
>>>
>>> But now we have <name-alternatives>, <aff-alternatives> and we may
>>>have a
>>> few additional elements requiring multi-lingual description, so we can
>>> respond to this by adding <collab-alternatives>,
>>> <publisher-name-alternatives>, etc..
>>>
>>> I think this kind of points were discussed before ver3.1. I would
>>> appreciate any comments.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Soichi Kubota
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kelly, Laura (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [E]" <kelly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jats-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 8:04 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [jats-list] how to describe <collab> in multiple languages
>>>
>>>
>>> Soichi,
>>> There isn't really a provision for collab-alternatives that parallel
>>> name-alternatives. Please consider making a request for this feature:
>>> http://www.niso.org/apps/group_public/document.php?document_id=6135
>>>
>>> It's possible to tag <alternatives> inside <collab> and use multiple
>>> <textual-form> elements with the xml:lang attribute specified.
>>> Unfortunately that's a hack solution and it won't allow you to include
>>> any of the structures in <collab> that capture anything more than text
>>> formatting.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Laura
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Soichi Kubota [kubota@xxxxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 7:39 PM
>>> To: jats-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jats-list] how to describe <collab> in multiple languages
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> When we write a personal name in multiple languages, we should follow
>>>the
>>> description shown in
>>> Example1. of
>>> http://jats.nlm.nih.gov/publishing/tag-library/0.4/n-v240.html with
>>> <name-alternatives>
>>>
>>> But when we write a collaborative (group) author name in multiple
>>> languages, what should we do?
>>> Should we use "specific-use" attribute?
>>>
>>> Can <name-alternatives> be changed to contain <collab> in it?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Soichi Kubota