Subject: Re: [jats-list] Markup for linguistics (glossed text) From: Alexander Schwarzman <aschwarzman@xxxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:14:41 -0500 |
Or, perhaps, use <array>, with either <graphic>, as Nikos suggested, or with <tbody> inside... --Sasha Alexander ('Sasha') Schwarzman, Content Technology Architect phone: +1.202.416.1979 | e-mail: aschwarzman@xxxxxxx The Optical Society (OSA) 2010 Massachusetts Ave., NW Washington, DC 20036 USA www.osa.org On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Nikos Markantonatos <nikos@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Michael, > > The question that arises of course out of the "semantically reasonable" > encoding of such difficult pieces of text is why you need it. Are you > planning to draw some logic across different types of such linguistic > representations? In that case, JATS alone will hardly offer you a solution. > JATS often resorts to other known standards for the representation of > "tough" textual pieces, such as mathematical equations (MathML) and tables > (XHTML, OASIS). If there was a corresponding XML encoding standard for > linguistic representations, one could make the case for embedding it into > JATS. > > Otherwise, you are left to choose between the encoding options suggested by > Debbie, or to capture it as an image (my favorite option), or even attempt > to represent it in TeX/LaTeX or MathML. > > Best regards, > Nikos Markantonatos > Atypon > > > On 11/19/2013 11:47 PM, Debbie Lapeyre wrote: >> >> Dear Michael-- >> >> Ouch! No you are not overlooking anything obvious. The problem >> is that, although you ask for "semantically reasonable", you >> really want presentation markup. JATS does not do presentation, >> by design or very well. >> >> - My first thought is a table, which this certainly looks like >> to me. But I do see your problem. >> >> - If it has to present EXACTLY this way, another obvious >> (but less than perfect) choice is <preformat>. That would >> - force this into a monofont (sorry about that) >> - preserve all your alignments and whitespace >> - let you include the italics, bold, and stuff. >> >> - Another possibility (not in NLM 3.0, but in the brand new >> JATS 1.1d1) is using <ruby>, which has a base (<rb>) and a >> ruby text annotation (rt) traditionally displayed atop the >> base (rt), or inside parenthesis after the base for browsers >> that cannot handle Ruby. Ruby is part of HTML5, as well as >> part of JATS. Ruby markup is intended for textual annotation, >> and might fit this case very well. >> >> But I've got to tell you, I found this example incredibly hard to >> human parse and be sure what went with what and why were these 2 >> clusters parallel and that one all alone? When the top line and the >> bottom line both had values, I was fine, but sometimes... Whatever >> you decide, a few horizontal lines or just more white space between >> the lines and/or less between the line and its gloss, would help >> me to separate. >> >> --Debbie >> >> >> On Nov 19, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Michael Boudreau >> <mboudreau@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Has anyone tackled the problem of marking up textual illustrations that >>> require multiple points of vertical alignment--the sort of thing for >>> which >>> youDd set tab stops on a typewriter or word processor? >>> >>> IDm working on a linguistics journal that has lots of glossed text >>> illustrations that are typeset like the items labeled (3) and (4) on this >>> page image: >>> >>> http://mss.uchicago.edu:81/mrb/linguistics.png >>> >>> WeDre using the NLM Journal Publishing 3.0 DTD, and IDm at a loss for a >>> markup solution that seems semantically reasonable and illustrates the >>> relationships between the chunks of text that the typesetting makes >>> obvious. IDve considered table markup, but I donDt want to break a single >>> sentence or other unit of meaning into multiple table cells across a row. >>> When I consider how our online host would convert XML into HTML, I see >>> only the same bad option. >>> >>> Am I overlooking something obvious? >>> >>> -- >>> Michael R. Boudreau >>> Electronic Publishing Technology Manager >>> The University of Chicago Press >>> 1427 E. 60th Street >>> Chicago, IL 60637 >>> (773) 753-3298 >>> www.journals.uchicago.edu >>> >> >> >> ================================================================ >> Deborah A Lapeyre mailto:dalapeyre@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Mulberry Technologies, Inc. http://www.mulberrytech.com >> 17 West Jefferson Street Phone: 301-315-9631 (USA) >> Suite 207 Fax: 301-315-8385 >> Rockville, MD 20850 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> Mulberry Technologies: Consultancy for XML, XSLT, and Schematron >> ================================================================
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