Subject: RE: venting From: "Didier PH Martin" <martind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:35:05 -0500 |
HI Sebastian, <YourComment> hear hear. keep the S in XSL! Having destroyed DSSSL by promising the world and loads of sweeties with XSL, I take it as sad that the big boys now want to jump ship, and leave formatting stuck in the doldrums for another decade. </Yourcomment> <Reply> In fact Sebastian, there is a high probability that big guys will first implement CSS in their browsers. This will help them create some independency between the rendering engine and HTML (they did it a bit with the DOM but it still need more work) then after could implement the XSL FOs (as long as the model is strictly identical to CSS that I think is probably what is discussed seriously within W3 closed doors). This will probably will the course of action for Microsoft and will be for Mozilla (we don't have any work in progress in Mozilla for XSL only CSS1 and 2). Just take the time it took to get CSS1 compatibility - at least two versions and about 2 years... this could gives you some clues of how long it can take before we get XSL client side. Add to that the traditional turnover of clients replacing their actual version which to gain approx 70% penetration needs about 2 years too. As an other example, take HTML mail. Is this list using HTML mail? But MHTML specs are about 2 1/2 year old. Hope this will give you a clue of how long technology introduction takes in the market place. To split the spec in two could at least increase the penetration rate and favor small producers by introducing XSL server side and, for a while, as long as enough clients do not have XSL client side, render in HTML. This is strictly business comon sense. If we hope that client side support will be so fast then why then are we not using HTML mail? Sorry to bring some "down to earth business sense". I am sad too about dsssl potential disappearance, probably more than you think. At least it is used for internal usage and for SGML. I am sad too about SGML being replaced by XML but progress is what the collectivity decides. Sometimes the collectivity can make also good choices like for example splitting XSL in two. At least to favor competition and not always big guys deciding for us in the end and everybody crying because the big guy takes it all. Maybe it is caused by own behavior and institutions in which we put our trust. We have a chance here to change this and I fully support Paul's initiative toward that goal. Never forget that standards are driven by action. And a manisfesto signed by enough people could _be_ a standard especially if it is supported by real implementations ready for the market place. </Reply> Regards Didier PH Martin mailto:martind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.netfolder.com XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list
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