Subject: RE: Leventhal's challenge misses the point From: Filip Hanik <fhanik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:14:38 -0700 |
I'm new to XSL but is using XML for data transfer. Since my back ground is application programming a lot of the stuff on the web still seems new to me. For me as an experienced programmer I've just taken a short look at XSL and it does seem complicated. The DOM model in comparison makes a little bit more sense. My question would be, would I have a harder time learning XSL than CSS and DOM? IMHO if XSL was for non-programmers I should be able to pick it up in a very short amount of time, can I? Filip Filip Hanik System Architect Digital Workforce fhanik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 415-863 7676 -----Original Message----- From: Scott S. Lawton [mailto:ssl@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, May 28, 1999 9:06 AM To: xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Leventhal's challenge misses the point >Firstly, I do not believe that non-programmers can't use XSL. I *am* a >non-programmer (and the fact that I subscribe to this list doesn't change >that) and I *have* learnt (well.. or am learning) to use XSL. I'll bet that most non-programmers who could learn XSL could just as easily learn enough JavaScript + DOM (with extensions if needed) to accomplish the same result. For example, I've watched plenty of non-programmers, especially those in publishing, learn (on the Mac) AppleScript and/or Frontier's UserTalk. We already have "HTML folks" learning simple JavaScript for web pages, why is it such a stretch to use the same language for transformation? Isn't it easier to learn one language instead of two? >I think it would be hard to come by such (Renaissansistic) people. What's >wrong with having a team of people who complement each other if you want to >do professional electronic publishing, to the Web or otherwise? Agreed. But, I think this view favors CSS + JavaScript + DOM. CSS is much easier for "the HTML crowd" than XSL, and JavaScript + DOM is more familiar, flexible & general purpose than XSL for the scripting/programming crowd. I agree with Leventhal that the effort that has gone and is going into XSL has set the Web back. Imagine if all the hard work and brain power that the XSL commitee has invested in XSL -- and all the implementers have done -- went into CSS1, 2 and future versions, plus any extensions to the DOM needed to simplify transformation. Surely we'd have better CSS support in MSIE, better print support in CSS, another round of improvements to the DOM -- and perhaps more progress on XPointer, XLink and an XML query language. cheers, -- SSL, PreFab Software <http://www.prefab.com/> XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list
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