Subject: Re: Leventhal's challenge misses the point From: "Guy Murphy" <guy-murphy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:43:22 +0100 |
Hi Heikii. > Hi Guido, ::chuckle:: I nearly missed that. [SNIP] > > Are you suggesting then that the Web is safer if we mandate DOM+ECMAScript > > with CSS as the standard means for styling XML? > > What do you mean by safer? > I do not think I have never said anything about safer web in this debate. I belive my reason for using the term "safer" was because you suggested that Michaels concern was the safety of the Web. > > My personal concern for the safety of the Web is the DOM+ECMAScript part. > > Or do you mean the scripting part? ECMAScript is pretty safe although > potentially dangerous, I do not know XSL well enough to know if it could be > misused. Did you know that PostScript is a programming language and that you > can never be sure that when you try to view PS it might trash your HD or > something? Well I don't necessarily mean just ECMAScript granted, but any script. I do however mean DOM+Script, as DOM is just an API and its consideration away from a language can encourage dubious assertions (not suggesting on your part). And the safety I'm talking about isn't of the HD crashing kind, more in the vein of the infamous "TechnologyX Considered Harmful!". I personaly find it cheeky to suggest that DOM+Script is safer for Web styling than XSL ::shrug:: just my opinion. [SNIP] > There are a huge number of documents that do not and will not need any sort > of transformations (which is the part that requires scripting in the > DOM+CSS+script model). I don't quote see this Heikii. Why do static documents requiring no transformation require DOM+Script? Surely they only require CSS? > Interactivity is something you cannot achieve without scripting, even if you > use XSL. Interactivity isn't realy a styling issue. It's and XML/DOM issue. If the user agent has an XML DOM that supports interactivity then FOs can be as interactive as any other mark-up. For instance, IE5 supports interactive HTML at present, so if you deliver HTML to IE5 from XSL you have interactive formatting objects (with a small f and o :). There's no reason why XSL FOs can't be interactive. I see this as a DOM issue, not an XSL issue. Yes there is work to be done *between* the two WGs, but it isn't an inherant problem with XSL any more than it was with HTML, or CSS. > Neither me nor Michael is speaking in the name of the company we work for. > The views of Michael and me differ somewhat in regard with this debate about > XSL, and I believe everyone at Citec has his/hers own opinions about it > although most likely the majority sides with Michael. We have done no > surveys, though. I believe the same is true for most companies. As far as I > know Citec has no opinions about anything, except maybe that standards are > good :) > I take your point well, that your views are personal. I think some can be forgiven for interpreting a company interest at work though when Michael starts making reference to his crack 'Zilla development team in his initial challenge. This wasn't as part of a discrete communication, but a very public declaration of war. Personally Heikii, I believe that there is a company interest that is abundantly clear. ::shrug:: Personally I think such interests are understandable, and what is more appropriate. I just prefer such interests to be tabled clearly rather than under the banner of concern for the Web. [SNIP] > -- > Heikki Toivonen > http://www.doczilla.com > http://www.citec.fi > XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list
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