Subject: Re: [xsl] the future of xslt From: "James Fuller" <james.fuller.2007@xxxxxxxxx> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:24:03 +0200 |
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Liam Quin <liam@xxxxxx> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 11:28:47AM +0200, James Fuller wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Dimitre Novatchev >> <dnovatchev@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > I am not sure these statistics are useful at all. >> >> I agree that presenting anything as 'statistics' is potentially >> problematic, but these trends must be indicative of 'something' or >> plain wrong. > > Not all "statistics" need to be meaningful. yes ... and they can be wrong as well. >> reason why I presented these trends was to understand why google would >> have declining trend for xslt ... doesn't seem to make any sense. > > SQL has also "declined". So have socks, although not as alarmingly > as "public nudity". About the only significant increase I found > so far was "Google". > I think it suggests that more and more people are using Google as > a search engine, and not just a bunch of geeks. Some terms that > don't seem to have declined: laundry, handbag, curtains, barbie, > trousers (although underpants are coming down in all regions), > "rolling stones", Mozart, ... > >> pessimistically, I do not think we will ever see wide spread adoption >> of XSLT, like lets say java.... > > I think we already have widespread deplyment of XSLT. The Java > statistics include other meanings of the word, more common in > the World Outside Computers. deployment is different then developer adoption and yes, there is problem with spelling (for example; Haskel versus Haskell) whenever doing this kind of thing. >> I do have a 'point' ... I am trying to gather adhoc and statistically >> relevant material on putting some % on the likeliness of any of the >> following occurring; >> >> * will XSLT 2.0 experience significant adoption ? what about xslt 2.0 >> in the browser ? >> * XSLT on other devices e.g. hardware, mobile platforms >> * will adoption flow from XSLT 1.0 to XSLT 2.0 or ... XSLT 1.0 to XQuery ? >> * will we have XSLT 3.0 > > I suspect that some other approaches to gathering this information > may be more productive. <ot>i find it interesting that all of us who use google every day constantly, once presented with statistical data from same, said search engine turns us all into 'doubting toms'</ot> I sent this to the list to get a feel of what other people are experiencing .. I certainly feel that XSLT usage is expanding and adoption is 'happening'. > XSLT 1.0 is in all major Web browsers today. Well, if a browser > doesn't have XSLT I don't consider it to be major :-) I would add EXSLT node-set to that consideration. > I don't know about XSLT 2 in the browser, nor XQuery, although I > wouldn't want to rule either of those out. For what it's worth, > jquery impements at least some of XPath in JavaScript, which is > less insane than it sounds when you realise it also has a JSON parser -- I wish we had perl ;) I think if we had XSLT 2.0 in the browser then we would have XQuery for nearly free. > I was reading a Linux magazine on the 'plane today that mentioned > that the way to turn a JSON stream into objects in the browser was > to use eval() on it, which as ironic as the cover of the magazine > had SECURITY on it in huge letters. No, it needs to be parsed... > so, people are doing a lot more with JavaScript these days. yes, I have similar thoughts about JSON ... marshalling and serializing objects is something else > Right now, though, I think the "sweet spot" for XQuery is on the > server, taking advantage of indexes, heavy optimisation, and > of course things like SQL connectivity. For XSLT 2 it's less > clear: pretty much anyone using XSLT will benefit from XSLT 2. I would further constrain and say I think xquery 'sweet spot' is on XML database server cheers, Jim
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