On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, MoonlightKnight wrote:
> I double-checked, still no windows. The suspect one all look the same,
> though. All of them are grey with a gold square on them. Some of them say
> Activision on them and have Activision games on them, but others don't say
> anything and have Atari or M-Network games on them.
>
> Most of my pics are only about 15k to 20k. I have a digital camera that has
> an "economy size" file to help get more pictures. Would that be an
> acceptable size? I could probably get a link to them from a website but it
> would be easier to post them here, considering their size.
>
> Thanks
> Brian J Nelson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Park" <joelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <stella@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [stella] Strange Atari item found
>
>
> > By the way, the windows will always be covered up by some kind of sticker.
> > So it's possible that the windows are under your labels.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "MoonlightKnight" <mnlghtnt@xxxxxx>
> > To: <stella@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: [stella] Strange Atari item found
> >
> >
> > > OK, here we go. None of the games, based on your description, are
> EPROMS.
> > > They don't have windows on them. Some of them may be PROMs because they
> > > don't look like original issue (I say this because I have seen the
> inside
> > of
> > > quite a few games, as I had to open them for various reasons, and I
> > compared
> > > them from memory.) Still, would anyone object to me posting a few .jgps
> to
> > > the list? I think pictures would help solve this problem.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Brian
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "dboris" <dboris@xxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <stella@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:49 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [stella] Strange Atari item found
> > >
> > >
> > > > If the chips have clear windows on the top (usually round) then they
> are
> > > > EPROMS, programmable ROMS that are erasable. If they don't have the
> > window
> > > > then they are either PROM, ROMS that can only be programmed once, or
> > mask
> > > > programmed ROMS which is what is in the original carts.
> > > >
> > > > As someone else pointed out, a cart like this that took the normal ROM
> > > chips
> > > > from real carts wouldn't make much sense, since it would be hard to
> get
> > > the
> > > > chips without thier carts. The ones that took EPROMS where made for
> the
> > > > purpose of piracy. One person would buy the original cart, dump the
> > data,
> > > > and program it into as many EPROMS as they wanted, then all you would
> > need
> > > > was one of these ZIF socket carts to play the games.
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan said:
> > > > > These aren't actually that uncommon. Are the chips ROMs or
> > > > > EPROMS? I found
> > > > > one at a flea market a couple years ago that took EPROMS, along with
> a
> > > > > handful of EPROMS. Either way the cart should let you play
> > > > > any 2 or 4K game
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure if these are ROMs of EPROMS as I don't really
> > > > > know how to tell
> > > > > the difference. If you, Dan, or anyone else can tell me how
> > > > > to identify
> > > > > them, I will try my best. I'm not real good with the inner workings
> of
> > > > > electronic devices but I am a fast learner if I have a good
> > > > > teacher. I
> > > > > think I should be able to play any game made for Atari that
> > > > > didn't need
> > > > > extra stuff on the board (like Pitfall II's sound chip.), but
> > > > > I'm not going
> > > > > to rip apart my good carts just to find out. I'm just
> > > > > thinking about the
> > > > > ones that have NEVER worked no matter what I've tried. Those
> > > > > would be worth
> > > > > the loss (after all they're already half dead anyway!) Who
> > > > > knows I may even
> > > > > be able to salvage a couple of the bad ones with some of the
> > > > > new chips.
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
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