RE: [jats-list] Markup for linguistics (glossed text)

["Maloney, Christopher (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C]" <maloneyc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

[Sorry if this is a duplicate -- I think my first attempt was rejected.]


I
agree with Debbie's suggestion that <ruby> is the correct way to mark this up
semantically, see
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/text-level-semantics.html#the-ruby-element

The
(HTML5) spec says "primarily used in East Asian typography as a guide for
pronunciation", but these elements are not *limited* to that use case.  This
example seems to fit the definition of annotations of runs of text.
Presentation is another story, of course.


Debbie, is 1.1d1 officially out
yet?  If so, where can I find the document / tag library / dtd?


Chris
Maloney
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linguistics (glossed text)

Or, perhaps, use <array>, with either <graphic>,
as Nikos suggested,
or with <tbody> inside...

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On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Nikos
Markantonatos <nikos@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> The question that
arises of course out of the "semantically reasonable"
> encoding of such
difficult pieces of text is why you need it. Are you
> planning to draw some
logic across different types of such linguistic
> representations? In that
case, JATS alone will hardly offer you a solution.
> JATS often resorts to
other known standards for the representation of
> "tough" textual pieces, such
as mathematical equations (MathML) and tables
> (XHTML, OASIS). If there was a
corresponding XML encoding standard for
> linguistic representations, one
could make the case for embedding it into
> JATS.
>
> Otherwise, you are left
to choose between the encoding options suggested by
> Debbie, or to capture it
as an image (my favorite option), or even attempt
> to represent it in
TeX/LaTeX or MathML.
>
> Best regards,
> Nikos Markantonatos
> Atypon
>
>
> On
11/19/2013 11:47 PM, Debbie Lapeyre wrote:
>>
>> Dear Michael--
>>
>> Ouch! No
you are not overlooking anything obvious. The problem
>> is that, although you
ask for "semantically reasonable", you
>> really want presentation markup.
JATS does not do presentation,
>> by design or very well.
>>
>>   - My first
thought is a table, which this certainly looks like
>>     to me. But I do see
your problem.
>>
>>   - If it has to present EXACTLY this way, another obvious
>>     (but less than perfect) choice is <preformat>. That would
>>      -
force this into a monofont (sorry about that)
>>      - preserve all your
alignments and whitespace
>>      - let you include the italics, bold, and
stuff.
>>
>>   - Another possibility (not in NLM 3.0, but in the brand new
>>
JATS 1.1d1) is using <ruby>, which has a base (<rb>) and a
>>     ruby text
annotation (rt) traditionally displayed atop the
>>     base (rt), or inside
parenthesis after the base for browsers
>>     that cannot handle Ruby. Ruby
is part of HTML5, as well as
>>     part of JATS. Ruby markup is intended for
textual annotation,
>>     and might fit this case very well.
>>
>> But I've
got to tell you, I found this example incredibly hard to
>> human parse and be
sure what went with what and why were these 2
>> clusters parallel and that
one all alone? When the top line and the
>> bottom line both had values, I was
fine, but sometimes... Whatever
>> you decide, a few horizontal lines or just
more white space between
>> the lines and/or less between the line and its
gloss, would help
>> me to separate.
>>
>> --Debbie
>>
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2013,
at 4:17 PM, Michael Boudreau
>> <mboudreau@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>
Greetings,
>>>
>>> Has anyone tackled the problem of marking up textual
illustrations that
>>> require multiple points of vertical alignment--the sort
of thing for
>>> which
>>> you1d set tab stops on a typewriter or word
processor?
>>>
>>> I1m working on a linguistics journal that has lots of
glossed text
>>> illustrations that are typeset like the items labeled (3) and
(4) on this
>>> page image:
>>>
>>>
http://mss.uchicago.edu:81/mrb/linguistics.png
>>>
>>> We1re using the NLM
Journal Publishing 3.0 DTD, and I1m at a loss for a
>>> markup solution that
seems semantically reasonable and illustrates the
>>> relationships between
the chunks of text that the typesetting makes
>>> obvious. I1ve considered
table markup, but I don1t want to break a single
>>> sentence or other unit of
meaning into multiple table cells across a row.
>>> When I consider how our
online host would convert XML into HTML, I see
>>> only the same bad option.
>>>
>>> Am I overlooking something obvious?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael R. Boudreau
>>> Electronic Publishing Technology Manager
>>> The University of Chicago
Press
>>> 1427 E. 60th Street
>>> Chicago, IL 60637
>>> (773) 753-3298
>>>
www.journals.uchicago.edu
>>>
>>
>>
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