RE: Thank you Tony (was: XSL-list doomed)

Subject: RE: Thank you Tony (was: XSL-list doomed)
From: Brian Young <Brian.Young@xxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:00:52 -0400 (EST)
Hello,

I think the problem was in the delivery.  E-mail is a very impersonal medium and great pains should be taken to remember that when composing a response.  Though it may be a purely technical issue to you, it treads upon personal feelings to many of the readers.  A more positive spin and delivery would have been better received.  

It's important to remember that much, if not all, of what is done with this list in terms of administration and contribution is volunteer effort.  That alone deserves a different, more personable, approach.  When the pain of running this exceeds the benefit then it will cease to exist.

On a personal note, I am very thankful for this list.  I may be pretty much a lurker, but the issues I see hashed out are ones that touch my professional career every day.

Thanks,
   Brian Young


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Tchistopolskii [mailto:paul@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 11:53 AM
To: xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Thank you Tony (was: XSL-list doomed)



From: G. Ken Holman <gkholman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


> Again I think you are being far too unfair, Paul.

How can I be 'fair' or 'unfair' with technical issues ?

The archive of XSL-list is broken since summer
and nobody bothers to fix it. Is it 'fair' or 'not fair' - 
I don't understand. It is the *fact*.

List loops starting from October 24. It is the *fact*.

The letter I was quoting has been sent to the
list at October 24 and since then I saw this 
leter at least 3 times ( I prefere not to 
see it at all ;-)

I'm not saying is Tony 'bad' or 'good'. If he has no 
time / abilities to fix the archive in 2 months, this 
means archive will remain broken forever.

I want XSL-list archive accessible from the 
browser. If official XSL-list archive is gone, 
I can try to provide the alternative XSL-list 
website. For free and on my own time.

I just don't want to mess with usual political 
problems this may cause. So I'm trying to 
understand what is the situation with XSL-list.

Maybe Tony will write : "I'm tired of this and I 
have no time - let's move it to egroups" ?

I'm not discussing any moral issues. Plain 
technical.

Rgds.Paul.

> At 00/10/28 23:56 -0400, Paul Tchistopolskii wrote:
> >It was not my idea to bring down the XSL-list,
> >but this have happened.  List loops and loops
> >since October 24.
> 
> Wrong ... Tony (the moderator) reports the loop only started happening on 
> the morning of yesterday (Saturday) and Tony has spent time on his weekend 
> to fix it for us.
> 
> >XSL-list archive is also broken since the
> >summer ( and nobody bothers to fix it ).
> 
> This is a thankless attitude ... Tony works hard on this list and I very 
> much appreciate his involvement.  To complain that he hasn't taken time 
> from his weekend to fix the problem is ungracious and unfair.  He keeps on 
> top of the problems and is quick to respond when they happen.
> 
> >If nobody cares about supporting XSL
> >mailing list, maybe placing the list on
> >e-groups is not a bad idea ?
> >
> >Or maybe I'm missing something
> >and XML community gets some special
> >joy with broken XML-list, broken XSL-list
> >e t.c. ?
> >
> >Rgds.Paul.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Paul Tchistopolskii <paul@xxxxxxx>
> >To: <xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:55 AM
> >
> > > If XSLT is a solution - I want a problem back.
> > >
> > > So now it becomes too hard to dig into answer to *trivial*
> > > question, like : what does version="1.0" mean ?
> > >
> > > Hell with this tool then.
> 
> Or maybe, Paul, this list could do with less complaining such as quoted 
> from you above.  It seems to me your negative attitude is not echoed by any 
> other participant and I get this impression because I hear your negative 
> attitude very often about many things.
> 
> I very much applaud Tony's efforts on this list and the DSSSL list, and his 
> freely available resources, editing environments, quick reference sheets, 
> etc. etc. etc.  Thank you Tony for your work and for helping to fix things 
> during the weekend.  Your valuable contributions to this community are very 
> much appreciated by some of us.
> 
> .................. Ken
> 
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