Subject: Re:RE: XSLT vs JSP
From: KAREN_LEICHEL@xxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:35:44 -0500
Hi everyone,

I am one of those "editors" that "find DSSSL and XSL too difficult to use".
Actually, the market for editors/tech writers these days quite often demands
that these people have a working knowledge of not just one, but several
programming languages. I think it is to make up for engineers and SME's that do
not communicate well in English. Apparantly it is easier to teach programming to
writers than to teach communication in English to engineers. Tech writers need
to understand certain programming langueges (or so such companies as IBM and
Cisco think) to produce GUIs as well. In fact, knowing the programming languages
far outweighs having many years of graphics and design experience and a degree
in design when hiring.

I would not worry about the new breed of tech writers/editors having too much
trouble. At companies like mine, there will be one or two who can understand, or
the company will hire a consultant to deal with the DSSSL or XSL.

Having more power and more portability is incredibly important to United Defense
since we are working with extremely large, complex documents and the customer
(DOD) wants--demands--single source databases to make it harder to make

Karey Leichel

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Subject:    RE: XSLT vs JSP
Author: "Didier PH Martin" <martind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:       6/27/99 8:09 PM

HI Sebastian,

The point was that DSSSL is too hard too learn for editors. I replied that
DSSSL and XSL both share the same level of difficulties. I'll be more
precise. CSS is easier to learn but also less powerful.  Both DSSSL and XSL
resolve problems you cannot resolve with CSS but also requires more
knowledge. Both DSSSL and XSL are more sophisticated languages than CSS
(this does not include STTS which does transformation).
Like all languages, it requires apprenticeship.

Didier PH Martin
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[mailto:owner-xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Sebastian Rahtz
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 8:21 AM
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Subject: RE: XSLT vs JSP

Didier PH Martin writes:
 > probably rely on a much simple language like CSS. XSL and DSSSL have, at
 > first sight, for most people about the same level of difficulties. Also,
 > because CSS is based on a kind of property set approach, it can be easily
 > encapsulated with a UI and therefore be more accessible to people without
 > any programming knowledge.
is true, the CSS style editor in XMetal is really rather useable. if
CSS is what you want.

take a fragment like <url doc="http://x.y.z"/>[1] and tell me how to
show the damned URL with CSS....

never mind taking  <x idref="XX"/> and replacing it with the contents
of <code id="XX">Goodbye Cruel World</code>!


[1] so that doc can be declared as an ENTITY notation, forcing me to
store my URLs nicely somewhere

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