## Re: [stella] Real 3D Space Calculations

 Subject: Re: [stella] Real 3D Space Calculations From: Chris Wilkson Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:52:04 -0400 (EDT)
```Yep...I mentioned the necessary trig lookup tables.  No matter what you
do, there's gonna be some kind of tradeoff.  If only they had used the
6809 in the VCS!

:P

-Chris

On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Ronald Gershwin wrote:

> That solution would work good if you just wanted to
> rotate.  Converting the polar coordinates to 2-d
> coordintes would be a snap too, because you could just
> say 'ok, left side of the screen corresponds to -45
> degrees horizontal, middle is 0, and right is +45
> degrees' or whatever (Might cause a little distortion
> around the edges, but should be ok).  But it's kind of
> like robbing Peter to pay Paul, because then you'd
> have to do a lot of trigonometry to do any linear
> *movement* in the 3-d world...
>
> Ben L.
> aka Ronald Gershwin :)
>
> --- Chris Wilkson <ecwilkso@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I'm surprised that no one has mention spherical
> > coordinates yet.
> >
> > For those who don't know, these consist of 2 angles
> > (theta and phi)
> > and a radius (r).  They are all referenced to the
> > center of the sphere.
> > One way to implement it is to have theta and phi
> > range from 0 to 180
> > degrees (or -90 to +90) and have r range from -x to
> > +x, where x is the
> > maximum distance.
> >
> > head left to right,
> > theta measures the angle from the center.  Looking
> > zero.  If you nod your head up and down, phi
> > measures that angle.
> > Again, looking straight ahead is zero.  This gives
> > you vision of the
> > hemisphere in front of you.  Going on with the
> > example...r measures
> > r is in front of
> > you, negative r is behind you.
> >
> > Now, when your ship rotates, all you have to do is
> > multiply.  Of course at some point, you need to
> > convert to screen
> > coordinates, but this can be done using sine and
> > cosine lookup tables....
> >
> > -Chris
> >
> > On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Glenn Saunders wrote:
> >
> > > <<
> > > Even this would be hard, though.  For one, it
> > involves
> > > multiplication and division of non-power-of-2
> > numbers,
> > > and values that won't fit in 8 bits...and that's
> > just
> > > the beginning...
> > > >>
> > >
> > > Really the best approach is to disassemble Star
> > Raiders for the 400/800.
> > > It's only 8K.  SR has more accurate pseudo-3D
> > coordinate system than any
> > > 8-bit space sim I know of outside of Elite, and
> > Elite (as I remember it on
> > > the Apple II at least) had a really sluggish
> > framerate so I don't think that
> > > would be a good game to copy.
> > >
> > > You could also look at the disassembly of Solaris.
> >  Even though it's behind
> > > the ship perspective, it's still kinda 3D with the
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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