Re: FW: [jats-list] Element for wrapping a group of xref elements

[Alf Eaton <eaton.alf@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Jeff. I was thinking that in places where a single xref links
to multiple target ids, a list of the targets could be displayed and
the user can choose which one they want (this would work for
references, tables or figures). The default - for when Javascript is
disabled - could be to link just to the first of the targets.

I haven't tried that yet to see how well it will work in practise, though.

On 9 January 2013 12:52, Beck, Jeff (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [E]
<beck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Alf,
>
> PMC can handle multiple values in xref/@rid. We do have issues generating
> the display if the xref is empty (but we have that for single values,
> too), and of course the links are problematic.
>
> <xref ref-type="fig" rid="d349665qxx"/> or <xref ref-type="fig"
> rid="d349665qxx d34888324qqq"/> are both tough to figure out what to do
> with.
>
> <xref ref-type="fig" rid="d349665qxx d34888324qqq">Figs. 1 &amp; 2</xref>
> is not a problem unless you want "1" to link one place and "2" to link to
> another - which is generally what users expect.
>
> I'd prefer
>
> Figs. <xref ref-type="fig" rid="d349665qxx">1</xref> &amp; <xref
> ref-type="fig" rid="d34888324qqq">2</xref>
>
> Or even
>
> <xref ref-type="fig" rid="d349665qxx">Figs. 1</xref><xref ref-type="fig"
> rid="d34888324qqq">&amp; 2</xref>
>
>
> Remember, the PMC Tagging Guidelines are just that - guidelines. PMC
> requires content that is well-formed, is valid to the schema it claims to
> follow, and represents the article(s) and publication model of the journal
> accurately.
>
> Questions on PMC can be addressed to pmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/8/13 5:40 PM, "Alf Eaton" <eaton.alf@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>Jeff, would you be able to comment on whether this actually is a
>>restriction of PubMed Central? It seems like it would be nice to mark
>>up a collection of references as one element, but I guess it's
>>forbidden by PubMed Central because the HTML display can't handle it?
>>
>>I could work around the restriction by adding another element around
>>the whole group of references, perhaps, though I'm not sure what
>>element that would be.
>>
>>Alf
>>
>>
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>From: Alexander Schwarzman <aschwarzman@xxxxxxxxx>
>>Date: 5 December 2012 18:57
>>Subject: Re: [jats-list] Element for wrapping a group of xref elements
>>To: jats-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>I think one has to consider whether the articles are going to be
>>submitted to PubMedCentral.
>>
>>PMC Guidelines
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/pmcdoc/tagging-guidelines/article/tags.htm
>>l#el-xref
>>admonish:
>>
>>Do not tag multiple id values in @rid.
>>
>>--Sasha
>>
>>On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Bruce Rosenblum <bruce@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Alf,
>>>
>>> You can tag in all versions of NLM or in JATS as:
>>>
>>>         "induce co-stimulatory molecule elevation<xref rid="r14 r15
>>>r18">14,
>>> 15, 18</xref>"
>>>
>>> This works fine for references, and you can also do the same with
>>>tables or
>>> figures, as in:
>>>
>>>         <xref rid="t1 t2 t3 t4">Tables 1-4</xref>
>>>
>>> but beware that this may create a usability problem for the reader
>>>because
>>> there's no "point" on which you can click to go to table 2 or table 3.
>>>This
>>> is less of a problem with references since they are all in the same
>>> proximity.
>>>
>>> In both cases, the key behind this is that the DTD declares rid to be
>>> IDREFS, not simply IDREF.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> At 08:26 AM 12/5/2012, Alf Eaton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is there an element in the JATS DTD that is suitable for denoting a
>>>> collection of xref elements in the body of an article?
>>>>
>>>> For example, in various citation styles:
>>>>
>>>> "induce co-stimulatory molecule
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>elevation<xref-group><xref>14</xref>,<xref>15</xref>,<xref>18</xref></xr
>>>>ef-group>."
>>>>
>>>> "induce co-stimulatory molecules elevation
>>>> <xref-group>(<xref>Gagliardi 2000</xref>; <xref>Berin
>>>> 2008</xref>)</xref-group>."
>>>>
>>>> "induce co-stimulatory molecule
>>>> elevation<xref-group>[<xref>14</xref>-<xref>16</xref>]</xref-group>."
>>>>
>>>> If the citations were marked up in this way, then it would be possible
>>>> for the renderer to choose which style
>>>> (numeric/superscript/parenthetical) to use when rendering them.
>>>>
>>>> For example, <xref-group><xref rid="ref-14">14</xref><xref
>>>> rid="ref-15">15</xref><xref rid="ref-16">16</xref></xref-group> could
>>>> be turned into a comma-separated list of numbers, a hyphenated pair of
>>>> numbers, or a semi-colon-separated list of author/year pairs, with the
>>>> appropriate punctuation.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Alf
>>>
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