Re: [jats-list] citation "year" with suffix

[Wendell Piez <wapiez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

I find myself sympathetic with Kaveh's aims here, but I'm not
convinced by his argument.

Surely, a mixed-citation with nothing but text content is a red
herring; we could as easily cite an element-citation with nothing but
a single 'comment' element to prove that element-citation is useless.

To me, the issue isn't which one is more expressive. Clearly that's
mixed-citation; Kaveh's point, I think, is to point out that "more
expressive" is not necessarily good, and argue that element-citation
is closer to the sweet spot. (Then Bruce points out that this may not
be true except for journal citations, etc.)

I think the real issue is the means by which you choose to enforce
against expressions (such as valid but incorrect tagging) you don't
want to see. I think these are going to be easier, in practice, to
detect and fix using mixed-citation than using element-citation. With
element-citation, when users decide they have to cheat (and they
will), they have no choice but to use ways harder to detect.

Then too, mixed-citation gives you a bit more room to allow for
encoding you deem to be acceptable if not yet perfect. If there's any
such thing in your system.

Cheers, Wendell


On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Imsieke, Gerrit, le-tex
<gerrit.imsieke@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> On 26.02.2013 16:24, Kaveh Bazargan wrote:
>>
>> And just an example of how ridiculous mixed citation can get, here is
>> an example from a recently published paper:
>>
>> <mixed-citation>
>> US CDC 1990. International notes earthquake disaster: Luzon,
>> Philippines. Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report 39(34): 573-577.
>> </mixed-citation>
>>
>> This has arguably _less_ structure than a printed reference. The
>> latter at least has bold and italic which hint at what each item might
>> represent. ;-)
>
>
> But you are actually allowed to use italic, bold, etc. in mixed-citations,
> Kaveh. (I checked this for BITS, but I think BITS uses the unaltered JATS
> modules for citations, so it should be true for JATS, too.)
>
> Itbs _that_ mixed!
>
> Gerrit
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