Re: [jats-list] Preferred pronouns for authors

["Latterner, Martin (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C] latternm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <jats-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi!
Just to throw another option into the mix: I think I'd just use <suffix>.
Preferred pronouns may or may not be a name part in legal/official terms.
However, just looking at how people use them, <suffix> seems the most
appropriate to me.

Martin

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From: Randall, Laura (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [E] laura.randall@xxxxxxx
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Hi, all.
I share Nikos's concerns on the proposed solutions. I like the
<author-comment> solution best, though you'd need to add a <p> for validity.

<contrib contrib-type="author">
      <string-name>
         <surname>Isobe</surname>
         <given-names>M.</given-names>
      </string-name>
      <author-comment
content-type="pronouns"><p>they/them</p></author-comment>
</contrib>

Best,
Laura

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From: Nikos Markantonatos nikos@xxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 4:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [jats-list] Preferred pronouns for authors

Hi all.

I feel uneasy on most suggestions made so far for the contributor pronouns
issue:

1) The name-alternatives proposal implies that the pronouns are another
alternative name for the contributor, which is far from being true

2) The named-content solution suggests that the pronouns are part of the
contributor's actual name, which is semantically not true

3) The role solution is certainly preferable than the other two, but it is
still a semantic stretch, suggesting that pronouns are a contributor role.
According to the JATS documentation, role is "title or role of a contributor
to a work", which is far from what pronouns are.

At Atypon we were presented with this problem from a client two months ago and
we opted for encoding this as an author-comment, which is a child of contrib
(like role) is repeatable, takes on @content-type attribute to designate its
semantic use, takes on @xml:lang attribute to allow for multiple languages and
according to the JATS documentation "the <author-comment> element can also act
as an escape mechanism, to take the content of any contributor-related
elements not anticipated by the Suite."

So here's another proposal for these pronouns:

<contrib contrib-type="author">
      <string-name>
         <surname>Isobe</surname>
         <given-names>M.</given-names>
      </string-name>
      <author-comment content-type="pronouns">they/them</author-comment>
</contrib>

Nikos


On 9/20/20 2:30 AM, Lizzi, Vincent vincent.lizzi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Hi Mark, Tommie, and Gerrit,
>
> I think that the role element could be used to hold authors' personal
> pronouns with a content-type attribute value to semantically identify
> the text as pronouns.
>
> <contrib contrib-type="author">
>
>      <name>
>
>          <surname>Isobe</surname>
>
>          <given-names>M.</given-names>
>
>      </name>
>
>      <role content-type="pronouns">they/them</role>
>
> </contrib>
>
> If your desired display format is to have the personal pronouns
> displayed after the author's name, e.g. "M. Isobe /(they/them)/", and
> your rendering displays the <role> element immediately following the
> contributor name (as some renderings do) tagging personal pronouns in
> <role> like this might "just work". The same display could be also be
> achieved with the tagged example above and styling applied by the
> rendering (perhaps with CSS).
>
> <role content-type="pronouns"><italic>(they/them)</italic></role>
>
> The <role> element also has the advantage of being able to be repeated
> with different xml:lang attribute values in case personal pronouns
> need to be presented in more than one language.
>
> Best,
>
> Vincent
>
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> *From:* Imsieke, Gerrit, le-tex gerrit.imsieke@xxxxxxxxx
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> *Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2020 4:33 PM
> *To:* jats-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Cc:* Tommie Usdin <btusdin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Subject:* Re: [jats-list] Preferred pronouns for authors
>
> Hi Tommie and Mark,
>
> Both approaches seem sensible to me. Maybe use @content-type instead
> of @specific-use on string-name in Mark's variant.
>
> The JATS standing committee might consider adding @pronouns to name
> and string-name, should someone file a request for that. An attribute,
> on the other hand, has the disadvantage that it cannot hold
> translations so well. On the other hand, I haven't seen anyone supply
> translations to their pronouns.
>
> In any case, the recommended practice(s) within the existing
> vocabulary can be included in the tag library documentation, or it can
> be dealt with on the JATS4R level
(https://jats4r.org/authors-and-affiliations).
>
> Gerrit
>
> On 18.09.2020 22:06, B Tommie Usdin btusdin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:btusdin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>  > Hi Mark --
>  >
>  > If you are using Green (archiving) you could use <named-content>
> inside <string-name>:
>  >
>  > <contrib contrib-type="author">
>  > <string-name><given-names>>m</given-names> <surname>Isobe</surname>
> > <named-content content-type="pronouns">they/them</named-content>
>  > </string-name></contrib>
>  >
>  > That's a little awkward, but perhaps less so than a
> name-alternative that contains only the pronouns.
>  >
>  > -- Tommie
>  >
>  >
>  >> On Sep 18, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Mark Doyle doyle@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:doyle@xxxxxxx> <jats-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:jats-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Hi all,
>  >>
>  >> Our editors would like to allow authors to specify preferred
> pronouns in their manuscripts. Although the initial goal is to provide
> this in a footnote for just the corresponding author, I'd like to tag
> this in a more general way that would allow any author to add this to
> their name. So far the best option I have been able to work out is to
> slightly misuse the <name-alternatives> tagging:
>  >>
>  >> <contrib contrib-type="author">
>  >> <name-alternatives>
>  >> <name>
>  >> <surname>Isobe</surname>
>  >> <given-names>M.</given-names>
>  >> </name>
>  >> <string-name
> specific-use="preferred-pronouns">they/them</string-name>
>  >> </name-alternatives>
>  >> </contrib>
>  >>
>  >> Does anyone have a better suggestion for how to handle this?
>  >>
>  >> Best,
>  >> Mark
>  >>
>  >> Mark Doyle
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