Re: [niso-sts] Use of TBX vs <term-display> ISO(1.1)/NISO(1.0)

Subject: Re: [niso-sts] Use of TBX vs <term-display> ISO(1.1)/NISO(1.0)
From: "Petra Uitermark petra.uitermark@xxxxxx" <niso-sts-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:32:03 -0000
Hi Gerrit,

Thank you for your thorough reply.

I will have to look at both ways of encoding terms in detail in the near
future. And weigh the advantages of the term-display (easier of use in
creating content) over the TBX (connection to ISO oriented content).
And see if there is a way of combining the two: content creating in
term-display (but not allowing any more options of content than TBX can take)
and exchange content in TBX and if a proper mapping is possible.

My assumption is, that for ISO sts users the TBX has a role in creating the
online overviews such as

Re.: your text one question: am I correct in assuming that the
page-break/pagenumber index is an issue with the transformation of XML to PDF
and that it would require adjusting the rules of the transformation
(application) to address this issue?

Met hartelijke groet,

-----Original Message-----
From: Imsieke, Gerrit, le-tex gerrit.imsieke@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: donderdag 20 september 2018 10:24
To: niso-sts-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [niso-sts] Use of TBX vs <term-display> ISO(1.1)/NISO(1.0)

Hi Petra,

The NISO STS 1.0 term-display model and tbx:termEntry can be used almost

One difference is that within tbx:termEntry, index-term can only be used on
tbx:termEntry itself, not on tbx:term, tbx:definition or other finer-grained
elements below. This may be relevant if there is a page break within
tbx:termEntry. A consequence of that can be that the page number in a
generated index is off by one.

Until recently I also thought that disp-formula and inline-formula are not
allowed immediately below tbx:term or tbx:definition (see the TBX
documentation [1] that is linked to from the NISO STS element reference [2]),
because tbx:term permits the highlight-elements class of elements, and
highlight-elements, according to the documentation [3], does not permit
disp-formula or inline-formula. The workaround would be to wrap the formulas
in a named-content element.
But if you look at the DTDs, formulas are indeed permitted as children of
tbx:term etc.

So I think the external documentation at [1] needs to be updated accordingly.

Then the choice of either term-display or TBX boils down to the question
whether you want markup that is organized more rigidly and that therefore
needs more rendering stylesheets applied to it (TBX) or whether you prefer
tagging the content in rendering order (term-display).

The people at DIN have opted for TBX since they had already used it in other



On 20.09.2018 09:41, Petra Uitermark petra.uitermark@xxxxxx wrote:
> Hello Tommie,
> Thank you for your clear reply.
> And thank you for the explanation of the "backward compatible". It
> helps a lot.
> I actually do think I should have known this p	.
> As you suggested in the end of your email, I am interested to know
> what the considerations of other users are -when implementing NISO- re.:
> using<tbx:termEntry> B orB  <term-display>
> Kind regards,
> Petra
> Met hartelijke groet,
> Petra
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tommie Usdin btusdin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <niso-sts-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: woensdag 19 september 2018 19:48
> To: niso-sts-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [niso-sts] Use of TBX vs <term-display>
> ISO(1.1)/NISO(1.0)
> Hello Petra b
> This is exactly the sort of thing this list is for! You question is
> indeed welcome.
> Usage may vary, so I will start by explaining what we mean by
> bbackward compatibleb. We mean that any document that was valid
> according to the old model will be valid and have the same meaning
> according to the new model. That is, old documents will work in the
> new model. (We do NOT mean that any document created to the new model
> will be valid to the old
> model.)
> <tbx:termEntry> is available in NISO STS just as it was in ISO STS,
> and you can continue to use it just as you have been. Anything tagged
> as <tbx:termEntry> in ISO STS will work, unchanged, in NISO STS.
> The model for <term-display> has been expanded from the model for it
> in ISO STS. That means that any document that uses <term-display> as
> it was used in ISO STS will be valid according to NISO STS. This is
> fully backward compatible.
> HOWEVER, if you use the structures that have been added to
> <term-display> in your new documents, they will be valid to NISO STS
> but not to ISO STS.
> I hope this helps. If not, I will be happy to continue this discussion
> here on the list.
> Perhaps others can comment on how they plan to use <tbx:termEntry> and
> <term-display>; I do not know.
> b Tommie
>  > On Sep 19, 2018, at 4:28 AM, Petra Uitermark petra.uitermark@xxxxxx
> <mailto:petra.uitermark@xxxxxx>
> <niso-sts-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:niso-sts-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>  >
>  > Hello everyone
>  >
>  > This is the first time I'm posting in this list, so I hope this is OK.
>  >
>  > We are considering using the NISO schema for our content.
>  > In the ISO schema we are currently using the TBX Term Base to label
> terms in the standard.
>  > As the use of <term-display> in NISO would allow for a display in
> our editorial system in the sequence in which the term content appears
> in the standard, (the term first and then the descriptive text), we
> are considering using this in stead of TBX Term Base.
>  >
>  > However I'm a little bit puzzled by the implications of the
> documentations of NISO: "NISO STS loosened and simplified the content
> of the <term-display> element (making a large undifferentiated OR
> group) and added additional semantic tags, to make tagging existing
> terms and definitions easier than using the more strictly structured
> TBX tagging, while being backward compatible with ISOSTS V1.1"
> (Differences Between ISO STS 1.1 and NISO STS 1.0 b October 2017 Page
> 5)
>  >
>  > How is the backward compatibility to ISO sts be secured when TBX is
> more strict than <term-display>?
>  > Is anyone else considering this change? What should we be aware of
> when pursuing the backward compatibility with the more strict ISO sts?
>  >
>  > Thanks in advance for your reply.
>  >
>  > Kind regards,
>  > Petra Uitermark
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