Subject: RE: [xsl] xsl:sort in old MSXML From: "Claudio Russo" <crusso@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:54:51 -0300 |
Wendell, I understand your concept. I agree on the Descriptive issue. I don't get the Procedural one. In your msg you've said "write XML at home and convert it into HTML". I think from this excerpt that you mean that instructions can be kept and run inside an XML file. I still don't get how. I only associate the process to de XSL language, providing an HTML output. This is why I asked David to let me know where on earth I can find a conceptual model of the whole architecture. It still puzzels me how the data-process-presentation three tiered layout is kept with all this tools/languages/transformations/schemas. Claudio. -----Original Message----- From: Wendell Piez [mailto:wapiez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Martes, 01 de Julio de 2003 04:28 p.m. To: xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [xsl] xsl:sort in old MSXML Claudio, I'm not (at all) sure I understand the question. If you mean "descriptive" markup vs. "procedural" markup ... XML can be used for either, though it's particularly well-suited to the latter. In the use case I'm describing, your XML would likely be "descriptive" hence "represent[ing] data, not instructions". Maintain your data in XML, use HTML to publish it. Nothing radical there at all. How do you take it I was comparing XML with HTML? What I was describing was an architecture for a publishing system that takes advantage of XML but requires neither client-side, nor dynamic server-side processing to get from XML into HTML or other formats such as PDF. In return for accepting some limitations (e.g. user-configured rendering), you get quite a bit of freedom in this model. Probably that doesn't clarify, so if you could rephrase what you don't understand in what I said, I'd be grateful. :-> Cheers, Wendell At 12:55 PM 7/1/2003, you wrote: >Wendell, > >I thought the XML as a way to represent data, not instructions. Why you >compare with HTML? > >Claudio. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Wendell Piez [mailto:wapiez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] >Sent: Martes, 01 de Julio de 2003 12:58 p.m. >To: xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: Re: [xsl] xsl:sort in old MSXML > > >Claudio, > >At 09:18 AM 7/1/2003, David wrote: > > > I don't have access to a server (I did some applications in a free > > > site hosting), the transformations aren't done in this case in the > > > client side? > > > >If you don't have access to either a sever or a client that can do XSLT > >then you can't use XSLT, you have to just write HTML. > >You can still, however, write XML at home and convert it into HTML in batch >mode, then serve up the HTML the old-fashioned way. > >"Poor man's XML". Yet a surprisingly effective way to use it -- you still >get many or most of the advantages of XML: you can tag your documents to >their type instead of maintaining the HTML tagging, which is useless for >anything but web pages. Assuming you do the design right, you'll still get >XML's economies of scale (from the "separation of format from content" etc. >etc.), robustness and reusability of your data, and all that. (Whether this >would be worthwhile in your particular case, of course, depends on why >you're using XML.) > >It's the application of markup language technologies in back offices like >this, invisible to the world, that led Chet Ensign to title a book "SGML: >the Billion-Dollar Secret". ====================================================================== Wendell Piez mailto:wapiez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Mulberry Technologies, Inc. http://www.mulberrytech.com 17 West Jefferson Street Direct Phone: 301/315-9635 Suite 207 Phone: 301/315-9631 Rockville, MD 20850 Fax: 301/315-8285 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mulberry Technologies: A Consultancy Specializing in SGML and XML ====================================================================== XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list
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