RE: E-Reserves question

Subject: RE: E-Reserves question
From: Sandy Thatcher <sandy.thatcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 10:46:48 -0500
But the old standard for print reserves promulgated by the ALA itself was a limit of six copies as "reasonable" to be placed on reserve. By definition, e-reserves provide copies simultaneously to every member of the class. Hence the analogy still doesn't stand up.



At 1:33 PM +0000 9/1/11, Croft, Janet B. wrote:
No, but a professor could bring in a short article and ask for several copies to be made to put on physical reserve. That wouldn't be unusual. And a professor can ask, for example, for a chapter of a book he owns to be scanned for electronic reserve. As long as you have no reason to doubt his ownership, that's reasonable.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Sandy Thatcher [mailto:sandy.thatcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:37 PM
To: Croft, Janet B.; Kevin Smith; Chris Holobar; digital-copyright@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: E-Reserves question


Are we to believe that a professor would bring in enough physical copies to place on reserve so that every member of the class could read them simultaneously? The analogy with physical reserves would hold only if this were the case.

Sandy Thatcher


At 6:40 PM +0000 8/31/11, Croft, Janet B. wrote:
If I could be a devil's advocate for another position -- the key phrase
here may be that the copies are now "the property of the user." And
therefore, if your institution allows professors to put "personal
copies" on physical reserve, there's a good argument for allowing
e-reserves as well . Imagine if the professor had brought them in to
the reserve desk without telling you where he originally obtained them?
This gets away from the fair use justification as well and takes it right back to local reserve policy.


The CONTU rule od 5 for ILL borrowing has nothing to do with what
happens to the items after the library borrows them.

Janet Brennan Croft
Associate Professor
Head of Access Services
University of Oklahoma Libraries
Bizzell 104NW
Norman OK 73019
405-325-1918
Fax 405-325-7618
jbcroft@xxxxxx
http://ou.academia.edu/JanetCroft/CurriculumVitae
http://libraries.ou.edu/
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Book Review Editor of Oklahoma Librarian
http://www.oklibs.org/oklibrarian/current/index.html
 >"Humans need fantasy to be human. To be the place where the rising ape
 >meets the falling angel." -Terry Pratchett
 >
 >-----Original Message-----
 >From: Kevin Smith [mailto:kevin.l.smith@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:00 PM
To: Chris Holobar; digital-copyright@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: E-Reserves question

Let me be a devil's advocate here for a moment.

Regardless of whether or not the CONTU "suggestion of five" is
followed, section 108 of the copyright law itself, in the subsection
that allows ILL copying of articles, requires that "the copy... becomes
the property of the user, and the library or archives has had no notice
that the copy would be used for any purpose other than private study, scholarship or research."


It seems to me that you could argue the question of whether placing an
article obtained through ILL on reserve violates this provision or not either way.
Perhaps making additional copies for e-reserve still falls into the
purpose of private study, etc. But you could also argue that the
emphasis on the individual recipient earlier in the sentence indicates
>that "private" was meant to refer to the study and research of that individual and no one else.
>
If one takes the latter view, than the original copy may seem
unauthorized, and the fair use argument as a whole (for the e-reserve
use) is dramatically weakened.

Kevin L. Smith, M.L.S., J.D.
Director of Scholarly Communications
Duke University, Perkins Library
P.O. Box 90193
Durham, NC 27708
919-668-4451
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-----Original Message----- From: Chris Holobar [mailto:jch4@xxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:50 PM To: digital-copyright@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: E-Reserves question

Scott, the "rule of five" was suggested by the CONTU guidelines in the
1970s and has become standard practice in many institutions, but it's
not law. At any rate, your ILL dept. is probably keeping track of
that. If you're conducting a fair use analysis, then the fact that
these articles were obtained through ILL probably doesn't matter all
that much, and it certainly isn't determinative. That your faculty
member or institution didn't purchase the work(s) may weigh, slightly,
against a finding of fair use based on factor four (effect on the
market for the works), but if the articles meet reasonable tests for
the other factors (nature of the use, nature of the works, amount of the works), then they may well fall within fair use.


Chris

On 8/31/2011 12:57 PM, Laroi Lawton wrote:
  > Scott:
The law strongly recommends that I.L.L. departments follow "Rule of 5"
guidelines. Each calendar year, an I.L.L. department is allowed to borrow a set number of articles from the most recent 5 years of one journal title. Once the limit is reached, articles can still be obtained from a copyright vendor for a fee.


  Secondly, and I am sure someone else will correct me on this First,
 to  archive materials not held by the library without permission
 and/or  payment of royalties would be a violation of copyright as it
 would be  considered "systematic copying".

The faculty member in your scenario want to put 11 articles obtained from ILL on E-reserves. Many campus libraries limit the amount of articles either owned or not by the library that a faculty member can put on
E-Reserves as well.
Basically The electronic copying and scanning of copyright-protected works for library reserve service are still debated and unsettled areas of the law which may be addressed by the Courts or in future revisions
of the copyright law.

I would check with your policy statements in this venue and work it from there.


  LaRoi Lawton
  Assistant Professor
  Library&  Learning Resources
  Bronx Community College
  2155 University Avenue
  Bronx, NY 10453
  Laroi.lawton@xxxxxxxxxxxx
  718.289.5348; 718.289.6471(fax)

  -----Original Message-----
  From: scottd@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:scottd@xxxxxxxxxx]
  Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:25 PM
  To: digital-copyright@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: E-Reserves question

  Faculty member wants to put 11 articles obtained from ILL on E-Reserves.
  What are your thoughts on this?  Fair use or not?
  --
  David A. Scott
  Access Services Librarian
  Ferris Library for Information Technology&  Education
  Office:  FLITE 140-D
  1010 Campus Drive, Big Rapids, MI  49307-2279
  ph: (231) 591-3540 fax: (231) 591-2662 scottd@xxxxxxxxxx




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