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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas sala" <tomas@copperwire.nl>
To: "Brian Wane" <bpwane@smerc.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Virtools] Virtools Promises and Competion


> I've been a director user for a number of years. The last year  though
I've
> been using creation mor or less exclusively.
> And I must say i'm delighted with the move from macromedia to enter the 3d
> content market, but also afraid for virtools and dev 2.0
> I can agree with most that dev 2.0 is a superior package with a superior
> design philosophy , towards 3d content.
> Whereas i don't find director suitable for my 3d wishes and demands. I do
> think it has some distinct advantages which virtools should take in
> consideration.
>
>
> -Multi platform playback..
>   I know in the netherlands many advertising agencies and multimedia
> companies, prefer targeting the entire computer using audience , instead
of
> just pc user's ( there's plenty of imac's out there)
> - Seamless web integration, integrating shockwave and flash in big scale
web
> productions is one of macromedia's spear heads.. And I've heard of a
> virtools behavioral server, but seen no specs ?
> - 2D and 3D integration,, this is probably where Director outshines dev 2
> technically. But this could be helped with a better activeX integration of
> dev 2.0 and director.
>
>
> Having said this, i also don't see director attaining a proffesional
gaming
> or 3D content quality akin to dev 2.0,   And I hope Director will evolve
the
> 3D side of things into a supplement to their multimedia angle. My only
fear
> is that director and dev 2.0 instead of finding their own markets they
will
> compete directly and then Macromedia will be the certain winner.
> But I think the changes in marketing and strategy by virtools hinted at,
> towards a more proffesional market is a wise step. And if this means price
> increases and the scrapping of creation so be it..
> But I would desire more from virtools also, in the shape of more support
in
> the delivery,  the often crashing offline player of 1.01 is a good
example.
> you can't get a client to accept crashing applications or harware specific
> bugs..
>
> And perhaps more worrying is the as mentioned the not so effective
marketing
> strategies of virtools. Including the lack of solid info (tehnical and
> business) , or more preciseley the lack of direct info straight from
> virtools..
> i've heard and seen a lot of dev 2.0 but nothing from virtools themselves,
> even at the Cebit 2001 I had a hard time finding their stand.. ( they
> weren't even registered)
>
> So virtools start  fixing the marketing bug, cuz otherwise you'll start
> losing a lot of goodwill, as we've seen in the posts the last couple of
days
> there are  a lot of worries.
>
>
> ps. A lightwave exporter would be nice, since lightwave does a have
> substantial piece of the market.
>
>
> regards,
> Tomas Sala
>
> Tomas@copperwire.nl
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Brian Wane" <bpwane@smerc.com>
> To: "Chris Cherubini" <Chris.Cherubini@vuinteractive.com>
> Cc: "'3dfx'" <3dfx@noos.fr>; "Kam Memarzia" <kam@rmjm.com>;
> <nicodeme@virtools.com>; "Virtools-User-Group (E-mail)"
> <virtools-user-group@lists.theswapmeet.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [Virtools] Virtools Promises and Competion
>
>
> > Personally, as a user of creation and Director I am over joyed at being
> > able to code 3d normally again in Director. I've programmed 3d in a
number
> > of packages and I find the Creation visual programming environment
> incredibly
> > inefficient. Perhaps Dev is better. But thank god for inheritance and an
> > oops model.
> >
> > b
> >
> > :: Smerc Design ::
> > :: 646.319.4232 ::
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Chris Cherubini wrote:
> >
> > > right...but unfortunately...virtool's marketing has been directed
almost
> > > entirely to web 3d...i dont really like director....but you have to
> > > admit...they have released a product that we can use...and for less
than
> > > 4k....
> > > too bad...i always thought that beta tape was better than vhs
> also.......
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: 3dfx [mailto:3dfx@noos.fr]
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 3:10 PM
> > > To: Kam Memarzia; nicodeme@virtools.com
> > > Cc: Virtools-User-Group (E-mail)
> > > Subject: Re: [Virtools] Virtools Promises and Competion
> > >
> > >
> > > agree whith you :)
> > > macromedia is turning into a novice-based applications developpement
> system.
> > > too bad.
> > > go on dev and creation
> > > have a long and justified life!!
> > > Sebos
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Kam Memarzia <mailto:kam@rmjm.com>
> > > To: 'nicodeme@virtools.com' <mailto:'nicodeme@virtools.com'>
> > > Cc: Virtools-User-Group
> <mailto:virtools-user-group@lists.theswapmeet.com>
> > > (E-mail)
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 12:50 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [Virtools] Virtools Promises and Competion
> > >
> > > Dear Mathieu
> > >
> > > Many thanks for your reply, its finally brought these issues
up-to-date
> on
> > > this mailing list and I for one am very pleased of the route you are
> taking.
> > > We have a number of projects in the wings which were put on hold in
> waiting
> > > for version 2.0 which is looking far more healthy.
> > >
> > > Appologies if the direct tone was a shock, i don't believe in sitting
on
> my
> > > hands.  As I've said I firmly believe in Nemo as a Dev tool, having
> tried
> > > almost every other solution out there, ever since using it first in
> 1998,
> > > i've grown to appriciate its immense power. Taking the 3d content
> production
> > > to a unique level which is still way better than anything else.
> > >
> > > Keep up the great work.
> > >
> > > Kam
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Virtools - Mathieu Nicodeme [mailto:nicodeme@virtools.com]
> > > Sent: 08 June 2001 18:21
> > > To: Virtools-User-Group (E-mail)
> > > Cc: Kam Memarzia
> > > Subject: RE: [Virtools] Virtools Promises and Competion
> > >
> > >
> > > OLE_LINK2Hello all list members,
> > >
> > > In reply to Kam's post and to keep our Creation users up to date.
> > >
> > > Virtools has decided to stop development of our Creation software. It
> was a
> > > difficult choice for us to make, but we felt it was the only option
that
> > > would guarantee the quality of our software. With the growing
complexity
> of
> > > Virtools products, it has grown unmanageable for us to develop both
> Creation
> > > and Dev simultaneously.
> > >
> > > Since Creation 2.0 will not be released, we have looked for
alternatives
> to
> > > the free upgrades that were offered with purchase of Creation
software.
> For
> > > those of you who have purchased Creation, you will be able to get the
> > > complete Virtools Dev 2.0 package at a reduced update price. For those
> of
> > > you who don't wish to take advantage of this offer, for whatever
reason,
> we
> > > will be publishing an exclusive version of Dev 2.0 designed
specifically
> for
> > > Creation users. This version will be available under the same
conditions
> as
> > > Creation 2.0 ($300 if bought before September 1, 2000; free update if
> bought
> > > after September 1, 2000 as promised).
> > >
> > > We know users have put their trust in our software, and we made this
> > > decision in order to continue providing quality technology.
> > >
> > > In the past weeks, we've been preparing the upgrade details and
> conditions
> > > that will go online soon. We'll keep you posted.
> > >
> > > A warm thanks to User List contributors from all Virtools employees.
You
> are
> > > the ones who make it possible for so many users to move ahead with
their
> > > projects and development. I hope to touch base again in a future User
> Day
> > > event.
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > >
> > > Mathieu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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