Re: [jats-list] AW: preformatted text in BITS 2.

Allowing break within p has been discussed many times in multiple working
groups. It will not happen, as Gerrit indicated below.

There are occasions when we have needed to have a break in the middle of a
paragraph or similar structure that does not support the break element. In
those cases, we use a Unicode soft return, &#x2028;

Bruce

On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 6:05 AM Imsieke, Gerrit, le-tex
gerrit.imsieke@xxxxxxxxx <jats-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Or try to convince the BITS working group / JATS standing committee that
> <break> be allowed in <p>, at least in BITS and in green JATS.
>
> But I'm afraid this train has already left the station long ago. This
> has been discussed before, and it has been rejected to add <break> to
> the allowed children of <p>.
>
> One approach without customizing BITS for your purposes is maybe to add
> a @content-type or @specific-use to the Impressum <p> that will map to
> something like style="white-space: pre-line" in HTML.
>
> Or you could turn your Impressum <p>s into <title> elements proper. In
> these you are allowed to use <break>. You can further influence the
> rendering of the (pseudo-) titles and the ToC generation by using a
> specific @sec-type on the containing <sec>.
>
> Or try to convince aforementioned committees to add the @style attribute
> to <p> and to document how it should be used (for literal CSS, as in HTML).
>
> Gerrit
>
> On 10.11.2022 10:08, Buehring, Franziska
> franziska.buehring@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > Hi Denis,
> >
> > Yes, Ibd agree with your approach as BITS isnbt really suited for
that
> > kind of content you have to work with workarounds.
> >
> > <preformat> would be a bad choice, <verse-group> too as they have a
> > different meaning.
> >
> > To have different <p>s would naturally come with a new line. Another
> > option if you wanted to keep them within one <p> would be the use of
> > <named-content> and @content-type (but I donbt think thatbs better).
> >
> > Looks like an interesting project by the way.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Franziska
> >
> > *Von:*denis.maier@xxxxxxxx <jats-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 10. November 2022 09:19
> > *An:* jats-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Betreff:* [jats-list] AW: preformatted text in BITS 2.
> >
> > Dear colleagues,
> >
> > May I kindly reiterate this question? Any thoughts about this?
> >
> > Ibm currently leaning towards using `boxed-text` with an appropriate
> > attribute. Anything that speaks against this ?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Denis
> >
> > *Von:*Maier, Denis Christian (UB)
> > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 4. November 2022 17:14
> > *An:* jats-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:jats-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > *Betreff:* preformatted text in BITS 2.
> >
> > Dear colleagues
> >
> > Ibm bit struggling with how a should tag the following type of text:
> >
> > Webre going to produce a catalog of Incunables at our institution, each
> > incunable will end up in its own `book-part` with the `body` looking
> like:
> >
> > ```
> >
> >        <body>
> >
> >          <sec>
> >
> >          <p>Impressum gemC$ss Kolophon
> >
> > GemC$ss GW und ISTC gedruckt in der Werkstatt des Andreas Asulanus
> >
> > Foliierungsfehler: Blattzahlen 49-50 und 69-70 ausgelassen, Blattzahlen
> > 120-121 wiederholt, zahlreiche weitere Fehler
> >
> > Signaturformel: abdB9b0, eb8, fB9b0, gb8, hblB9b0, mB9B2,
nbzB9b0, [et]b6
> >
> > Blatt [et]b ist unbedruckt
> >
> > </p>
> >
> >          <p content-type="position-3">Venedig: Bernardino Stagnino oder
> > Andreas Asulanus, 20.10.1492</p>
> >
> >          <p content-type="position-4">235, das heisst 233 BlC$tter, 1
> > ungezC$hltes Blatt; 43 cm (2B0)</p>
> >
> >          <p content-type="position-5"><ext-link
> > xlink:href=http://inkunabeln.digitale-sammlungen.de/Ausgabe_B-186.html
> > <http://inkunabeln.digitale-sammlungen.de/Ausgabe_B-186.html>
> > ext-link-type="url">BSB-Ink B-186 </ext-link>; <ext-link
> > xlink:href=http://www.gesamtkatalogderwiegendrucke.de/docs/GW03624.htm
> > <http://www.gesamtkatalogderwiegendrucke.de/docs/GW03624.htm>
> > ext-link-type="url">GW 03624</ext-link>; <ext-link
> > xlink:href=http://data.cerl.org/istc/ib00236300
> > <http://data.cerl.org/istc/ib00236300> ext-link-type="url">ISTC
> > ib00236300</ext-link></p>
> >
> >          <p content-type="position-6">233 von 234 BlC$ttern (plus 2
> > zusC$tzliche), vorgesehene Stellen fC<r Initialen frei gelassen</p>
> >
> >          <p content-type="position-7">Halbbezogener Ledereinband auf
> > Kartondeckeln (braun, Kalb, 18./19. Jh.) mit flC$chig eingefC$rbtem
Papier
> > (grC<n), Linien-BlindprC$gung sowie Titelschild mit GoldprC$gung auf dem
> > RC<cken</p>
> >
> >                                 <!-- leere Elemente bitte nicht
> > C<bertragen -->
> >
> >          <p></p>
> >
> >          <p></p>
> >
> >          <p content-type="position-10">UnvollstC$ndiges Exemplar: Blatt
> > 128 fehlt</p>
> >
> >          <p content-type="position-11">Signatur: <ext-link
> > xlink:href=https://swisscollections.ch/Record/99116802840105511
> > <https://swisscollections.ch/Record/99116802840105511>
> >
> >    ext-link-type="url">MUE Inc I 8</ext-link></p>
> >
> >          </sec>
> >
> >        </body>
> >
> >      </book-part>
> >
> > ```
> >
> > Normal paragraphs are not to problem. We use `@content-type` to
> > distinguish between different types of paragraphs. However the `p`
> > element that starts with `<p>Impressum gemC$ss Kolophon` is bit tricky as
> > this should preserve line breaks when going HTML later. How would you
> > deal with that kind of requirement?
> >
> > Ibve seen there is a `preformat` tag, which would sound like a good fit
> > here. However, the specification says this will typically be rendered in
> > a monospace font, which is not the case here.
> >
> > Another option Ibve considered is using `verse-group` and `verse-line`
> > elements, like so :
> >
> > ```
> >
> > <verse-group>
> >
> >    <verse-line>Impressum gemC$ss Kolophon</verse-line>
> >
> >    <verse-line>GemC$ss GW und ISTC gedruckt in der Werkstatt des Andreas
> > Asulanus</verse-line>
> >
> >    <verse-line>Foliierungsfehler: Blattzahlen 49-50 und 69-70
> > ausgelassen, Blattzahlen 120-121 wiederholt, zahlreiche weitere
> > Fehler</verse-line>
> >
> >    <verse-line>Signaturformel: abdB9b0, eb8, fB9b0, gb8, hblB9b0,
mB9B2, nbzB9b0,
> > [et]b6 </verse-line>
> >
> >    <verse-line>Blatt [et]b ist unbedruckt</verse-line>
> >
> > </verse-group>
> >
> > ```
> >
> > That way you can explicity tag each line, and also you can have proper
> > indentation. I donbt know if itbs just me, but I feel this here looks
> > wrong (content of `preformat` is left-aligned, not indented to where
> > where the tag startes):
> >
> > ```
> >
> > <preformat>Impressum gemC$ss Kolophon
> >
> > GemC$ss GW und ISTC gedruckt in der Werkstatt des Andreas Asulanus
> >
> > Foliierungsfehler: Blattzahlen 49-50 und 69-70 ausgelassen, Blattzahlen
> > 120-121 wiederholt, zahlreiche weitere Fehler
> >
> > Signaturformel: abdB9b0, eb8, fB9b0, gb8, hblB9b0, mB9B2,
nbzB9b0, [et]b6
> >
> > Blatt [et]b ist unbedruckt
> >
> > </preformat>
> >
> >          <p content-type="position-3">Venedig: Bernardino Stagnino oder
> > Andreas Asulanus, 20.10.1492</p>
> >
> > ```
> >
> > Last option Ibve considered is using `p` elements for the individual
> > lines, and wrapping these in a `boxed-text` container:
> >
> > ```
> >
> > <boxed-text >
> >
> >    <p >Impressum gemC$ss Kolophon</p>
> >
> >    <p>GemC$ss GW und ISTC gedruckt in der Werkstatt des Andreas
> Asulanus</p>
> >
> >    <p>Foliierungsfehler: Blattzahlen 49-50 und 69-70 ausgelassen,
> > Blattzahlen 120-121 wiederholt, zahlreiche weitere Fehler</p>
> >
> >    <p>Signaturformel: abdB9b0, eb8, fB9b0, gb8, hblB9b0, mB9B2,
nbzB9b0, [et]b6 </p>
> >
> > <p>Blatt [et]b ist unbedruckt</p>
> >
> > </boxed-text >
> >
> > ```
> >
> > Of course, with all three options a proper attribute (`@content-type`,
> > `@preformat-type`) may help to add meaningful semantics.
> >
> > Anyway, sorry for the long post. Is there something Ibm missing? Which
> > option would you choose? Is one of these options completely off the
> > rails? Do you see other options?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Denis
> >
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