Subject: Aw: Re: [stella] Dungeons From: cybergoth@xxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:55:57 +0200 (CEST) |
Hi Russ! > >Glenn, I know you're always trying to move people in that direction. But > >I'd never go that way. To me it's not the *real* thing. Doing something > >for the Supercharger is like cheating. > That's like saying that Starpath was cheating. Heck no, they made it > work in the VCS, so it's hardly cheating, right? But... it is cheating! :-) It's like putting the SuperCPU and a second SID into the C64. Everybody can make a cool looking and brill sounding ultrafast 3D demo then. What counts is what you get out of the standard hardware. > Burger (an occasional poster here) had worked on a device that even > had it's own *processor* that allowed you to do even more than the > Supercharger does. Cheating? Not if it follows the rules the VCS > lays down. Come on, you probably could put an 1 GHz pentium 4 processor and a sounblaster-on-a-chip into a device and connect it somehow to the VCS. The Coleco for example had a device for running VCS games, everybody knows it was cheating :-) > Would you also say that Pitfall II cheated for its extra chip? Of > Mountain King for the RAM Plus? Yes & Yes. I'd say Nintendo cheated with putting extra 3D chips into the early Super Nintendo games like 'Pilotwings', since they were pretending the SNES had higher abiltities than it actually had. > >If I really wanted more RAM, better graphics abilities, larger medias > >and such, I wouldn't go for the VCS as a target anyway... > I do understand what you're saying, but I don't think it's fair to > say that the Supercharger is cheating, but rather you seek the larger > challenge of developing within the 4K ROM format. If you prefer to see it this way - see it this way :-) > >Hope you don't mind, that's just my personal opinion. Besides - judging > >from the # of homebrew cartridges compared to the Supercharger stuff, > >I'd say there's more people thinking like that... > On the other hand, you have to keep in mind that the Supercharger > introduces other challenges to coding 2600 games -- making sure it > loads appropriately, and if you decide to do multiload, how to fill > the game meaningfully. I think most people who have coded for the > 2600 think they should start with the basics first, but then never > get back to another game because of how much time the first took > them... Hm... might be, ok. It really is just my point. I really think it is cheating to simply shifting a game to the Supercharger that'd normally need 500 Bytes of RAM. Instead of solving the problem, you're sneaking away from it, in other words: cheating. The challenge is to make it run with 128 Bytes anyway. If I were to do a game on the superchager, I'd probably go for a game that'd normally need an Amiga :-) Greetings, Manuel - Archives (includes files) at http://www.biglist.com/lists/stella/archives/ Unsub & more at http://www.biglist.com/lists/stella/
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