Re: [jats-list] Can an Editor Write Schematron?

["Debbie Lapeyre dalapeyre@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <jats-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Flip answer: Yes if they know XPath.

More useful answer:

1) They are more likely to RUN Schematron, as set up
by programmers, than to write it. Whole test suites
can be set up for them to run single-click.

2) But, they can also SPECIFY Schematron (in a natural language such as
English) IN A SPREADSHEET that tells the programmers what to check and
what error message the Editors want back.

The editors are in charge of the requirements document (the spreadsheet).
The programmers are in charge of interpreting those requirements in
Schematron and of updating the spreadsheet to say which module(s)
check each requirement.

Some basic spreadsheet logic of giving each request a unique
number, error severity (such as editorial error, XML error | human must
look at this one, caution, fatal, make up whatever categories you
think are useful), status, QA or management signoff flag, whatever
you need is useful.

This is a very handy system that works well for many. Most
Editors know spreadsheets. There are no pointy brackets in sight.
It has the additional psychological advantage that the Editors
feel that the programmers are working for them, finding the
errors Editors want fixed, not imposing rules from above.

--dal


> On Feb 11, 2021, at 5:30 PM, Gareth Oakes goakes@xxxxxxx
<jats-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Sorry to jump in but that is an interesting thought. I suspect your average
PE would get stuck on the fact that you need to know XPath and be quite
familiar with the JATS schema in order to create good Schematron assertions or
reports. I wonder if there is a UI solution that would help in this case
though? I'm not aware of one but am interested to hear from others. It would
sure save the trouble of having an XML person come in to define and maintain
those basic editorial rules.
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> I think the pre-requisites for Schematron are experience with XML, good
knowledge of XPath, and working knowledge of the schema you are writing rules
against.
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> // Gareth Oakes
> // VP Content Technologies, GPSL
> // www.gpsl.co
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> o;?On 12/2/21, 06:44, "Charles O'Connor coconnor@xxxxxxxxxxxx"
<jats-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>    Hi Liam,
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>    When the Schematron course comes together, please ping me off list.
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>    I did a webinar yesterday on our (Aries) XML-through production workflow,
which includes the ability to configure a task to run Schematron. Question
from a participant was, "This Schematron thing sounds cool, but is it
something the average production editor could write?"
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>    My answer was that a somewhat ambitious one certainly could. There may
also be interest among others at Aries.
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>    Also, let me know whether there are prerequisites beyond a basic
knowledge of what XML is and how it works.
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>    Thanks,
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>    Charles
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