Subject: Re: XSL in IE 5.0, or is it? From: Guy_Murphy@xxxxxxxxxx Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:00:37 +0000 |
Hi. Firstly, the old MSXSL I believe is dead, it was a technology preview intended just to cover basic ideas. I beleiev all references to MSXSL as it was are to be removed from the MS site within the next couple of weeks. The current MS implimentation one would *hope* is the MS tracking of the current XSL WG state at present ::shrug:: anybody know for sure? Got to be somebody wired to the WG around here somewhere. As for the difference is examples betweeen W3C and MS... they're entitled to different implimentation philosphies, looking at ASP it's not suprising MS favour the approach they do, as it most closely resembles standard ASP implimentation (they've got to see XSL as an ASP threat). Personaly I prefer the WC3 methodology for XSL although curiously I like the MS approach to ASP templates ::shrug:: odd discrepancy in my tastes. As far as where things are going, I like your good self, can't be sure. I do know that the last time I looked at the XSL spec, editorial comments made it clear that the like of <xsl:process-children /> was likely to change in the direction that we now see in the MS implimentation of <xsl:apply-templates match="..." /> ...so maybe MS does know something we don't. As for what one should do given the current state of affairs? It's all still draft so anything one does is a gamble. At this stage I see XSL as something to play with in preparation for the final product, I'm not planning on commiting any real development to XSL until it's ratified and the dust settles. Hopefuly MS will the final XSL spec into IE5 when they come about. I think they'd be nuts not to, especialy with with NS showing sudden zealous standards commitment. If you want to see funky stuff, take a look at what MS is doing with XML/CSS in IE5 custom tags... a little bit of this, a dash of that :) I'm normaly quite a fan of what IE has been doing with IE, but my current fear with IE5 is that although I like the new features, that mixing them up with XML/CSS/XSL is going to produce a mish-mash of standards freely intermixed. Anyway, drifting off topic here so I'll shut-up. Regards Guy. xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 11/20/98 06:48:18 PM To: xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx cc: (bcc: Guy Murphy/UK/MAID) Subject: XSL in IE 5.0, or is it? I've been working with IE 5.0 quite heavily this last week and I'm coming to the conclusion that there are at least three separate languages called XSL: 1. The one implemented by MSXSL which seems to mostly be a subset of the original XSL proposal 2. The current XSL proposal from the W3C which may be partially implemented by tools like Koala and FOP, though I haven't tested this personally 3. The language supported by IE 5.0 which seems at best tangentially related to the first two. In particular not only are almost all the elements supported by IE 5.0 not present in the W3C standard, and vice versa; but the examples of simple XSL stylesheets in the standard and the examples in IE 5.0 on Microsoft's Web site seem to be based on diametrically opposed philiosophies of how to transform XML to HTML. The standard seems to be based on transforming XML elements according to a series of rules. IE 5.0 seems to use a completely different scheme based on embedding XML data in an HTML template. (note: this is NOT the same as IE 5.0's XML data islands in HTML documents. I'm talking about the appearance of an XSL style sheet itself.) In other words, W3C embeds HTML to which XML will be transformed in XSL templates. IE 5.0 embeds XML data inside HTML via XSL elements. These two approaches just don't seem to be the same thing at all. Am I out to sea, here? I had previously gathered from discussions on this list that there were only a few miner differences like <eval> between IE 5.0 and the W3C draft, but after working with them they're like night and day. Is Microsoft simply going off on their own? If so, are they likely to come back to the fold before final release of IE 5.0? Or do they know something about future directions of XSL within the W3C that I don't? More access to current standards discussions would sure help a lot. But right now I'm very confused about what I should do. +-----------------------+------------------------+-------------------+ | Elliotte Rusty Harold | elharo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | Writer/Programmer | +-----------------------+------------------------+-------------------+ | XML: Extensible Markup Language (IDG Books 1998) | | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0764531999/cafeaulaitA/ | +----------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Read Cafe au Lait for Java News: http://sunsite.unc.edu/javafaq/ | | Read Cafe con Leche for XML News: http://sunsite.unc.edu/xml/ | +----------------------------------+---------------------------------+ XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list
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