Subject: RE: The Cathedral and the Bizarre (was: do you use pi's?) From: Guy_Murphy@xxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:55:54 +0100 |
Hi Martin. Thanks for the update of progress. On the issue of attracting the development community to Mozilla, it would appear to me that Mozillazine.org is doing it's utmost to drive away all but the Mozilla zealot. Their obsession with anti MS rhetoric makes me start to gag everytime I go back there for updates. I tried politely bringing this up with the Webmaster but was "firmly" told that MS was as good as the devil incarnate. This is unfortunate as for anyone wishing to track Mozilla development day to day Mozillazine.org I find is a better place that Mozilla.org which tends to be overly terse for casual updates. As for XStyles.... I'm torn on this one. I can see what's being done with this, and it looks exciting (I'd certainly liek to have a play with this), but isn't this just a repeat of the mistake made with JavaScript Stylesheets (JSS)? I had an interesting chat with two Netscape developers regarding XUL, with a few E-mails bouncing back and forth, until I brought up MS HTC... I never got a reply nor heard from them again. [In comparisson to this during the beta I was contacted by a MS rep specifically to quiz me about areas of IE5 that caused difficulty, or that where lacking... inviting not repeling critique] It would seem to me that if Mozilla wants to play in this area, that an implimentation of HTCs would serve the development community better, which already exist now as an independant W3C Note..... Having said that, I confess to a heavy bias in this, and if I'd been plating with XStyles first I'd probably be advocating that. It also seems to me that is the .selectNodes(...) MS XML DOM extension was implimented by Mozilla, then the very diret equivelant of what presented bellow could be implimented wholly from within script. I should probably shut-up on this however until I get a closer look at XStyles. If you have any initial documentation of XStyles, I'd love to have a look at it, as it occurs to me it might prove useful in some work I'm facing.... I have to find a way of implimenting XLink interpretation on the server-side (ASP), converting XLink representations into something functional for delivery to the client-side. I was planing on implimenting a JavaScript class as a client-side linkManager, and delivering XLink interpretations as a JavaScript triggering anchor, with an instance of the class.... messy. All this was going to be implimented through a WSC (Windows Scripting Component... MS are really jumping all over this concept... like a HTC on steroids registerable as a COM class) on the server. Even if XStyles are a while off I'd appreciate a gander at some examples to at least grok the concept being played with. There are too many holes in the tapestry being woven that is XML at present, and we need all the tools we can get to patch it. OK, I confess ::blush:: that was a blatant attempt to get another quote up on Cafe con Leche... I feel dirty now. Cheers Guy. xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 04/07/99 07:59:40 PM To: xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx cc: (bcc: Guy Murphy/UK/MAID) Subject: RE: The Cathedral and the Bizarre (was: do you use pi's?) Hi Guy, [SNIP] Exiting mechanisms, What now needed is that the development community become aware of these good things. [SNIP] But stay tuned, we'll have something new very soon. A procedural event base script language named XScripts. You'll be able to transform a SGML/XML document into whatever you want (not restricted to XML). Here is a sample <XStyles> <element match="/"> output"<HTML>" process-children() output"</HTML>" </element> <element match="MyMarkup"> output "<BODY>" output "<P> This text includes" & (Sheet * 2) & "pages<P>" output value-of_select("subMarkup") </element> </XStyles> [SNIP] XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list
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