RE: Students and copyright

[<wford@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Asli,

I do think their approach is unnecessary and wasteful. I agree
with the previous comment about how these requests are
unnecessary, since these uses constitute fair use. But these
requests are also wasteful because it takes time and effort to
ask permission. This is not a commercial endeavor. You don't
have a licensing department to facilitate all of these
requests for your papers, dissertation, etc. (A university may
have a licensing department to regulate uses of their
trademarks. One reason they do this is to control media
portrayals of their marks. But these departments won't help
you seek permission from every author you want to quote from.)

The institution needs to think about what they plan to do when
an author says "no." One reason for authors to say "no" would
be to prevent critical discussions of their work. There may be
social disincentives to do this in the academic community, but
the institution still needs to decide if they potentially want
to help authors shut down critical discussions of their work.
Keeping authors from doing this is another factor in favor of
these uses being fair. 

-Bill

---- Original message ----
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 08:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
>From: aslihan akkar <aslihanakkar@xxxxxxxxx>  
>Subject: RE: Students and copyright  
>To: wford@xxxxxxxxxxxx, digital-copyright@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>   Hi Bill,
>
>   it was a long time ago, but I remember it being a
>   table from some other author and this was how it was
>   handled. I'm not sure if people were being too
>   delicate about the subject.
>   But you are right, what would have I done, if he
>   said "no". :))
>
>   By the way, I don't think their enthusiasm was only
>   limited to taking permission for tables. :)) Anyway,
>   I was interested in experiencing about the subject
>   in general.
>
>   Greetings,
>   Asli
>
>   wford@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>     Asli,
>
>     You were told to ask permission from the author
>     merely to
>     "reference" his or her table?
>
>     Also, what were you going to do if he/she said no?
>     Skip the
>     discussion of the table? Find a new topic entirely
>     to write
>     about? And is your institution's excessive
>     enthusiasm for
>     asking permission limited only to tables? Why not
>     quotations also?
>
>     -Bill
>
>     ---- Original message ----
>     >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 05:38:01 -0700 (PDT)
>     >From: aslihan akkar <aslihanakkar@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >Subject: RE: Students and copyright
>     >To: Abhishek Sharma
>     <abhisheksharma03@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
>     kroeg1@xxxxxxx, digital-copyright@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     >
>     >Hi,
>     >
>     > is this statement legally qualified or is it
>     personal? I'm
>     only asking cause, I was confronted with a similar
>     situation
>     as I wanted to reference a table in a scientific
>     paper and had
>     to ask the author. I really don't know how it
>     should be
>     legally handled, but I guess asking the
>     copyright-holder is
>     certainly ok.
>     >
>     > Greetings,
>     > Asli
>     >
>     >Abhishek Sharma <abhisheksharma03@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>     wrote:
>     > Academic use is a universally accepted fair-use
>     exception.
>     For fair use
>     >you dont need to obtain permission. Copyright is
>     basically
>     designed to
>     >protect the economic right and moral right of the
>     author.
>     Since academic
>     >use dont cause any economic harm, as it is not
>     for the
>     business, and the
>     >work is duly acknowledged not infringing the
>     moral right of
>     the author,
>     >hence there is no need to go for the permission
>     of the author.
>     >
>     >It is to hard to locate and communicate with the
>     authors,
>     hence also it
>     >is quite fair.
>     >
>     >Cheers
>     >
>     >Abhishek
>     >
>    
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>     >
>     >From: "Roegge, Kathleen"
>     >To:
>     >Subject: Students and copyright
>     >Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:36:38 -0500
>     >>Hi,
>     >> I recently was asked if students need to ask
>     for copyright
>     >>permission to use other works in their thesis.
>     This student does
>     >not
>     >>intend to publish the paper only to use it to
>     obtain their
>     master's
>     >>degree. They were told by their advisor to
>     obtain permission
>     from
>     >>publishers to use the figures and tables in the
>     paper prior to
>     >>submitting it for graduate school.
>     >>
>     >>Kathleen Roegge
>     >>Information Access Services Manager
>     >>Brookens Library
>     >>e-mail: kroeg1@xxxxxxx
>     >>phone: 6-6618
>     >>
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>     >
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