Re: [stella] Farewell, StellaList

Subject: Re: [stella] Farewell, StellaList
From: "Dennis Debro" <dnsdebro@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:21:56 -0500
Wow!! A silent StellaList lurker finally speaks out :)

I agree with you here Glenn. It's almost like, "Ohhh, new shiny new
sparkly...I've gotta have it." I mean why even bother going through the
trouble of cannibalizing a cartridge to put in a box that someone will never
open. You could have just as well filled it with rocks :)

I know there are some people that would actually play the game like Tempest
and myself but if your're into collecting the packaging...why not just
collect the packaging. What does the cart do for you if you never open the

There has been a lot of interest in Atari homebrews lately. This can be good
and bad at the same time. It could be good by giving us gamers more good
games to play. It could also be bad by giving us gamers more bad games to
play. We may be looking at another video game crash.

I joined the list because I thought it was cool that you guys were
programming the 2600. As a child (I'm sure everyone had the same dream) I
would dream of doing just that. I also joined the list to get information on
Stella. I was and still am amazed at how these games can be written given
her limitations. Of course I also enjoy the 6502 coding discussion that
takes place here. You guys come up with some very interesting ways of
optimizing code.

I had planned to do some Stella programming too but I have backed off to
look into the 5200. When I finish my project I will do some packaging too
just to complete the whole thing. I want to see it go from start to finish
like Andrew Davie did with 'Qb'.

As for hacks I generally stay clear of them unless they're an enhanced
version like "A Better Pacman". I think hacks should be marketed differently
if at all.

Okay I have rambled enough. It's time for me to stay silent again?

To all...please don't get discouraged with the flooding of the market. In
the end only the good titles will float to the surface.

----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Saunders <cybpunks2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <stella@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [stella] Farewell, StellaList

> At 11:03 AM 11/28/2001 +0100, you wrote:
> >That's exactly the problem, I was describing. You collect everything, no
> >matter if it's good or bad. Somebody who wants to make money, can produce
> >10 "games" in much less time that it takes to make one single quality
> >game. And he will be rewarded by you 10 times. You are being manipulated
> >by those people. Isn't there any lower mark, where you would say: "NO!" ?
> I do think that people sometimes get attracted to the packaging more than
> the game.
> For instance, Elevator Action is not fully playable.  But people gobbled
> up at the CG Expo.
> It would have been a lot better if someone had disassembled it and
> it first before releasing the game.  That would have provided more of a
> gaming value to the consumer, rather than just a collectable piece.  But
> they never open the box I guess it doesn't matter what's inside.
> I also don't have a lot of respect for hacks.
> People have various motives for doing hacks.  It's sort of like the MOD
> scene with PC games.  It opens up a creative outlet for people.  That's
> fine.  I just think it's really important not to give the impression that
> you are just filing off the serial numbers and trying to pass it off as
> your own without having to devote the blood sweat and tears to write the
> game from scratch.
> There is a growing prestige associated with being a homebrewer, which the
> attention on Atari Age and the CG Expo has largely generated, and with
> you are going to have people trying to become 'homebrewers' in order to
> grab some of the limelight.
> I'd like to make sure that along the way we all stay serious about making
> the best games we can.
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