Re: [EXT] Re: [jats-list] Preferred pronouns for authors

["Debbie Lapeyre dalapeyre@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <jats-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Just wanting to point out that:

  1) Gender is not binary, not even in some grammars.

  2) Some authors (admittedly I have this 3rd hand, so it could just be
     an urban legend) are not willing to answer the gender question for
     their publishers. ("What difference does my gender make to my science?)

  3) A choice of pronouns is at least a choice, fully given. They could
     always refuse to answer that too, but are less likely to.

  4) Perhaps the XML document instance is not the best place to record
     all you know about an author. Perhaps a production database?

Very unofficially

--Debbie

> On Dec 14, 2020, at 6:27 PM, O'Brien, Daniel S. dobrien@xxxxxxx
<jats-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Agreed with Pieter that a primary need is for expressing both grammatical
and self-identified gender pronouns.
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> I expect some publishers, including ACS, would embrace having options within
JATS like these to identify a contributor's pronouns within the article
metadata, with a further option to designate whether the pronouns should be
displayed next to the person's name within the article output.  This would let
publishers better serve the needs of some communities of authors who may find
this valuable.
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> Regarding whether to optimize the tagging model towards systematic or
automated processing versus a display oriented approach, this seems to be an
evolving topic that is very personal for some.  Forcing a selection of pronoun
options within a predefined scheme b even with the positive intent to
support automation b could be seen as especially counterproductive for those
to whom this issue deeply matters; these folks often are already trying to
break through other predefined gender expectations elsewhere.  For this
reason, I wonder if a display-oriented approach, perhaps just a pronoun
string, could be beneficial for now.  Perhaps localization couple be handled
as normally (@lang) if not defined as an attribute?
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> Regards,
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> Dan
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> Dan ObBrien
> Assistant Director, Publication Technology
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> From: Jennifer Flint jen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<jats-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:42 AM
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> Subject: [EXT] Re: [jats-list] Preferred pronouns for authors
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> I agree that adding an attribute for gender would be much easier to process
systematically. Each author can absolutely choose to which gender they would
be identified in all such cases, but, the reality is that many languages use
female versions of a noun to identify a single female or group of females and
a masculine form of the noun to identify a group of all males or a mixed group
of authors, so a <contrib-group> with <contrib gender="female"> and <contrib
gender="male"> requires a different display than a <contrib-group> with only
<contrib gender="female"> children. The biological gender of the individuals
is irrelevant, but it is inaccurate to identify the group using the incorrect
form of the noun.
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> The difficulty with adding a plain text <role> to each <contrib> and
<contrib-group> is that it cannot be localized, so if a reader wants to view
the article metadata in French, it cannot be easily localized if the <role>
has been captured in English.
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> Jen
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> jflintcreative.com
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> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, at 13:00, Randall, Laura (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [E]
laura.randall@xxxxxxx wrote:
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> > I think it is a pity we have lengthy discussions about self-identified
gender and completely disregard biological gender as though it is some kind of
taboo
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> (disclaimer: This comment is from me personally, representing only myself
and not my necessarily employer)
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> I think itbs more a pity that webd chose to base how we address someone
strictly on their chromosomal makeup rather than how they self-identify. Ibm
not a linguist, but I would doubt that the languages basing articles on gender
are actually required to base it on biological gender determined by their
chromosomes.
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> I see choosing to record biological gender over a self-identified gender is
dismissive of the struggles of individuals suffering from gender dysphoria. I
believe this kind of action is the source of many of the challenges faced by
an entire community. If you had a trans author with a chosen name, would you
require them to publish under their dead name? No, of course not. So why would
you force their biological sex to be part of how theybre identified in your
publication?
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> Best,
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> Laura
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> ________________________
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> Laura Randall (she/her)
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