Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [jats-list] Preferred pronouns for authors From: "O'Brien, Daniel S. dobrien@xxxxxxx" <jats-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 23:27:51 -0000 |
Agreed with Pieter that a primary need is for expressing both grammatical and self-identified gender pronouns. I expect some publishers, including ACS, would embrace having options within JATS like these to identify a contributor's pronouns within the article metadata, with a further option to designate whether the pronouns should be displayed next to the person's name within the article output. This would let publishers better serve the needs of some communities of authors who may find this valuable. Regarding whether to optimize the tagging model towards systematic or automated processing versus a display oriented approach, this seems to be an evolving topic that is very personal for some. Forcing a selection of pronoun options within a predefined scheme b even with the positive intent to support automation b could be seen as especially counterproductive for those to whom this issue deeply matters; these folks often are already trying to break through other predefined gender expectations elsewhere. For this reason, I wonder if a display-oriented approach, perhaps just a pronoun string, could be beneficial for now. Perhaps localization couple be handled as normally (@lang) if not defined as an attribute? Regards, Dan Dan ObBrien Assistant Director, Publication Technology 2540 Olentangy River Rd. | Columbus | OH 43202 T 614-447-3610 | Pronouns:<https://www.mypronouns.org/> he/him pubs.acs.org<http://pubs.acs.org/> bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb ACS Chemistry for Life American Chemical Society From: Jennifer Flint jen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <jats-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:42 AM To: jats-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [EXT] Re: [jats-list] Preferred pronouns for authors [Actual Sender is jats-list-return-1473-dobrien=acs.org@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jats-list -return-1473-dobrien=acs.org@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] I agree that adding an attribute for gender would be much easier to process systematically. Each author can absolutely choose to which gender they would be identified in all such cases, but, the reality is that many languages use female versions of a noun to identify a single female or group of females and a masculine form of the noun to identify a group of all males or a mixed group of authors, so a <contrib-group> with <contrib gender="female"> and <contrib gender="male"> requires a different display than a <contrib-group> with only <contrib gender="female"> children. The biological gender of the individuals is irrelevant, but it is inaccurate to identify the group using the incorrect form of the noun. The difficulty with adding a plain text <role> to each <contrib> and <contrib-group> is that it cannot be localized, so if a reader wants to view the article metadata in French, it cannot be easily localized if the <role> has been captured in English. Jen jflintcreative.com On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, at 13:00, Randall, Laura (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [E] laura.randall@xxxxxxx<mailto:laura.randall@xxxxxxx> wrote: > I think it is a pity we have lengthy discussions about self-identified gender and completely disregard biological gender as though it is some kind of taboo (disclaimer: This comment is from me personally, representing only myself and not my necessarily employer) I think itbs more a pity that webd chose to base how we address someone strictly on their chromosomal makeup rather than how they self-identify. Ibm not a linguist, but I would doubt that the languages basing articles on gender are actually required to base it on biological gender determined by their chromosomes. I see choosing to record biological gender over a self-identified gender is dismissive of the struggles of individuals suffering from gender dysphoria. I believe this kind of action is the source of many of the challenges faced by an entire community. If you had a trans author with a chosen name, would you require them to publish under their dead name? No, of course not. So why would you force their biological sex to be part of how theybre identified in your publication? Best, Laura ________________________ Laura Randall (she/her)
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